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the ordens and the SL's are simular but different in their own ways (IE: 4 rivets, different shape on the ends of the 5 spokes, etc) Its not like a rota wheel that is an exact copy....what's your point in bringing that up if you're going to plead the 5th, to hear yourself talk?
I've been working on that car with Ben since the beginning. I think he's officially lower than me now lol. However, we both eat fenders all the time with our front tire fitments