Drifting with LSD?
05-30-02, 10:03 AM
#1
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Drifting with LSD?
Watching all the videos as of late got me thinking. Is it possible to drift on dry pavement, VSC turned off, with the 3.76 unit?
Controlled of course.
I wouldn't think so, but really you are just breaking traction laterally, so the LSD wouldn't come into play until you gave it some throttle, right?
Same goes for donuts, where I wouldn't think it possible, but saw the video of a yellow IS doing one, and they have factory LSDs, so not sure what's up.
Now, when I was at SRT, pre-LSD, Mo sure as hell drifted my car, so the GS can be tossed a little. :eek:
I am hesitant to try for fear of loosing it and totally f'ing up my GS.
Thoughts?
Controlled of course.
I wouldn't think so, but really you are just breaking traction laterally, so the LSD wouldn't come into play until you gave it some throttle, right?
Same goes for donuts, where I wouldn't think it possible, but saw the video of a yellow IS doing one, and they have factory LSDs, so not sure what's up.
Now, when I was at SRT, pre-LSD, Mo sure as hell drifted my car, so the GS can be tossed a little. :eek:
I am hesitant to try for fear of loosing it and totally f'ing up my GS.
Thoughts?
05-30-02, 10:14 AM
#2
Lexus Champion
Ive driffted te GS before but I dont have the LSD, but from my understanding with the supra LSD the GS grips the road real well so it might be very hard to drift with it
05-30-02, 10:23 AM
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Nearly anything can be "drifted". The LSD helps maintain traction -- but it's no guarantee that traction will be maintained. Actually, an LSD or positrac should actually contribute to drift.
Go over to the Audi World web site and search under the S4 forum, last time I was there they had links to some videos showing outrageous 4 wheel drifting -- literally the entire way around a real race course.
I grew up in Fairbanks, AK and learned to drift every car I drove. [Well, at least the rear wheel drive ones.] I ended up in a lot of snowbanks along the way. My last vehicle was a Ford Lightning pickup [w/LSD] and that drifted real nice.
Like you, I have not yet gathered the courage to throw my GS4 about, but give me a big enough parking lot and I'd be inclined to toss it about. Actually, the limiting factor for me is the mushy factory suspension -- I'm not comfortable with how it transistions. Next six months or so that will be addressed.
The LSD helps maintain traction -- but it's no guarantee that traction will be maintained. Actually, an LSD or positrac should actually contribute to drift. Go over to the Audi World web site and search under the S4 forum, last time I was there they had links to some videos showing outrageous 4 wheel drifting -- literally the entire way around a real race course.
I grew up in Fairbanks, AK and learned to drift every car I drove. [Well, at least the rear wheel drive ones.] I ended up in a lot of snowbanks along the way. My last vehicle was a Ford Lightning pickup [w/LSD] and that drifted real nice.
Like you, I have not yet gathered the courage to throw my GS4 about, but give me a big enough parking lot and I'd be inclined to toss it about. Actually, the limiting factor for me is the mushy factory suspension -- I'm not comfortable with how it transistions. Next six months or so that will be addressed.
Last edited by redgs4; 05-30-02 at 10:24 AM.
05-30-02, 10:53 AM
#4
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Re: Drifting with LSD?
Originally posted by Dex
Watching all the videos as of late got me thinking. Is it possible to drift on dry pavement, VSC turned off, with the 3.76 unit?
Controlled of course.
[snip]
Thoughts?
Watching all the videos as of late got me thinking. Is it possible to drift on dry pavement, VSC turned off, with the 3.76 unit?
Controlled of course.
[snip]
Thoughts?
05-30-02, 12:30 PM
#5
Lexus Test Driver
weight transfer from left to right or from right to left and then gate shift to 2nd gear from 3rd, you can easily drift around the corner, i've tried it many times while stock and with 3.76 LSD
05-30-02, 12:34 PM
#6
Lexus Champion
infact, (some would argue to my theory but listen) LSD is essential for drifting, without it you cannot predict when the outside tire will break loose, and its very hard to get the outside tire loose once the inside starts spinning... LSD makes it more controlled and more predictable. Some would say you shouldn't use it but i think with LSD is much better, most drifters agree.
05-30-02, 01:45 PM
#7
redgs4
We'll have to do lunch some time and I'll take you on a few drifts around the block in my car. Actually they're more like controlled power slides than actual drifting.
I agree with what's been said so far, the 3.73 allows me to spin tires at will, but with my 285 size tires there is enough grip to make it more difficult to do donuts. Most cars I see doing donuts are doing it on factory rubber and stock sizes. That may be good for showing off, but not for running quick 0-60's.
What size tire do the IS guys have, doing those donuts? I'll bet they're probably not 285 -19's.
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We'll have to do lunch some time and I'll take you on a few drifts around the block in my car. Actually they're more like controlled power slides than actual drifting.
I agree with what's been said so far, the 3.73 allows me to spin tires at will, but with my 285 size tires there is enough grip to make it more difficult to do donuts. Most cars I see doing donuts are doing it on factory rubber and stock sizes. That may be good for showing off, but not for running quick 0-60's.
What size tire do the IS guys have, doing those donuts? I'll bet they're probably not 285 -19's.
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05-30-02, 05:36 PM
#8
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Originally posted by LexusRules
infact, (some would argue to my theory but listen) LSD is essential for drifting, without it you cannot predict when the outside tire will break loose, and its very hard to get the outside tire loose once the inside starts spinning... LSD makes it more controlled and more predictable. Some would say you shouldn't use it but i think with LSD is much better, most drifters agree.
infact, (some would argue to my theory but listen) LSD is essential for drifting, without it you cannot predict when the outside tire will break loose, and its very hard to get the outside tire loose once the inside starts spinning... LSD makes it more controlled and more predictable. Some would say you shouldn't use it but i think with LSD is much better, most drifters agree.
05-30-02, 07:01 PM
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Wow - these are very interesting comments guys. I thought that with torque going to both wheels, it would mess up the drift. If its not too wet here this weekend (calling for rain), I'll have to try to prove some of your theories!
Thanks again.
If its not too wet here this weekend (calling for rain), I'll have to try to prove some of your theories!Thanks again.
05-30-02, 09:58 PM
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Originally posted by LexusRules
infact, (some would argue to my theory but listen) LSD is essential for drifting, without it you cannot predict when the outside tire will break loose, and its very hard to get the outside tire loose once the inside starts spinning... LSD makes it more controlled and more predictable. Some would say you shouldn't use it but i think with LSD is much better, most drifters agree.
infact, (some would argue to my theory but listen) LSD is essential for drifting, without it you cannot predict when the outside tire will break loose, and its very hard to get the outside tire loose once the inside starts spinning... LSD makes it more controlled and more predictable. Some would say you shouldn't use it but i think with LSD is much better, most drifters agree.
Last edited by Mariusz; 05-30-02 at 09:58 PM.
05-31-02, 01:31 AM
#12
Lexus Champion
its pretty hard to tip your car over on flat ground, unless you have a very flimsy suspension (worse than the stock GS's) , and there is a dip in the road, then you can flip the car
05-31-02, 04:50 AM
#13
Lexus Champion
also if you drift into a curb you are almost garenteed to flip, even with stiff and low suspension... you just better hope your wheels break before your whole car rolls!!!!
thats the main reason you'll see drifters lowering their car to the lowest possible... even rubbing is acceptable because they are afraid of rolling the car if hitting unexpected surface..
thats the main reason you'll see drifters lowering their car to the lowest possible... even rubbing is acceptable because they are afraid of rolling the car if hitting unexpected surface..
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