GS300 with 3.3L RX motor?
01-21-03, 02:56 AM
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...i'm guessing a likely candidate would the 4.0 V6 from the 4Runner/Hilux series. ...These days manufacturers seem to be crossing series with similar engines to save cost, i.e., Nissan's 3.5 V6.
01-21-03, 08:40 AM
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Now im really lost, i dont know if i should buy the current GS 300 or just wait for the new GS330. What would u guys do if u were in my situation?
01-21-03, 02:28 PM
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rominl........sounds is hard to describe, this is my opinion:
V6 sounds generic, it doesn't sounds anything special, just listen to all the Accord, CL, TL, Camry, new generation Benz.......etc. You put an aftermarket exhaust on it, it makes it loud but the sound is not attractive. The only V6 I found to sound ok is the Nissan VQ35DE on the 350Z and the G35 coupe, but they are only OK, still nothing exciting.
Inline 6 on the other hand, sounds very special, it got a very smooth deep voice to it, put a nicely design exhaust system on it, they sounds wicked. Just look at all the cars that sounds very cool, old and new Supra with the 7MGTE and 2JZGTE engine, the Skyline GTR with the RB26DETT and all the small Bimmer....325i, 330i, M3....etc. I have no interest in any European car, but I must say the E46 M3 sounds really sweet.
Technically speaking, I am sure there are pros and cons of each engine design. I don't know the theory behind it though. I heard V6 is better for torque and I6 is better for highend power. BMW is a very good engineering company, there must be a very good reason all their 6 cylinders cars uses I6 instead of V6. Also there must be a good reason 2 of Japan's fastest car uses I6 (Supra and Skyline).
LSs1Power.............which engine is good for you depends on what you plans to do with your car. If you are going to leave it stock, the V6 might be better for you since it will definitely have more power then the current I6 and you can't hear ANY engine noise anyway in a stock Lexus. Also the I6 sounds better is only MY opinion, maybe you would think the V6 sounds better, who knows, everyone is different. But if you are planning to modify it, especially turbocharging it, the I6 would be easier since it is closely related to the Supra motor. But then TRD will most likely have a SC kit (supercharger) for the future GS330 just like how they have a SC kit for all Toyota's V6 engine. So it depends on lots of things and like rominl said, can you wait that long until the new model comes out?
For me, I will be buying the current GS300 right before the new one comes out, I just LOVE inline 6
Sorry for typing so much
V6 sounds generic, it doesn't sounds anything special, just listen to all the Accord, CL, TL, Camry, new generation Benz.......etc. You put an aftermarket exhaust on it, it makes it loud but the sound is not attractive. The only V6 I found to sound ok is the Nissan VQ35DE on the 350Z and the G35 coupe, but they are only OK, still nothing exciting.
Inline 6 on the other hand, sounds very special, it got a very smooth deep voice to it, put a nicely design exhaust system on it, they sounds wicked. Just look at all the cars that sounds very cool, old and new Supra with the 7MGTE and 2JZGTE engine, the Skyline GTR with the RB26DETT and all the small Bimmer....325i, 330i, M3....etc. I have no interest in any European car, but I must say the E46 M3 sounds really sweet.
Technically speaking, I am sure there are pros and cons of each engine design. I don't know the theory behind it though. I heard V6 is better for torque and I6 is better for highend power. BMW is a very good engineering company, there must be a very good reason all their 6 cylinders cars uses I6 instead of V6. Also there must be a good reason 2 of Japan's fastest car uses I6 (Supra and Skyline).
LSs1Power.............which engine is good for you depends on what you plans to do with your car. If you are going to leave it stock, the V6 might be better for you since it will definitely have more power then the current I6 and you can't hear ANY engine noise anyway in a stock Lexus. Also the I6 sounds better is only MY opinion, maybe you would think the V6 sounds better, who knows, everyone is different. But if you are planning to modify it, especially turbocharging it, the I6 would be easier since it is closely related to the Supra motor. But then TRD will most likely have a SC kit (supercharger) for the future GS330 just like how they have a SC kit for all Toyota's V6 engine. So it depends on lots of things and like rominl said, can you wait that long until the new model comes out?
For me, I will be buying the current GS300 right before the new one comes out, I just LOVE inline 6
Sorry for typing so much
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01-21-03, 06:29 PM
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Originally posted by BNR34
LSs1Power.............which engine is good for you depends on what you plans to do with your car. If you are going to leave it stock, the V6 might be better for you since it will definitely have more power then the current I6 and you can't hear ANY engine noise anyway in a stock Lexus. Also the I6 sounds better is only MY opinion, maybe you would think the V6 sounds better, who knows, everyone is different. But if you are planning to modify it, especially turbocharging it, the I6 would be easier since it is closely related to the Supra motor. But then TRD will most likely have a SC kit (supercharger) for the future GS330 just like how they have a SC kit for all Toyota's V6 engine. So it depends on lots of things and like rominl said, can you wait that long until the new model comes out?
LSs1Power.............which engine is good for you depends on what you plans to do with your car. If you are going to leave it stock, the V6 might be better for you since it will definitely have more power then the current I6 and you can't hear ANY engine noise anyway in a stock Lexus. Also the I6 sounds better is only MY opinion, maybe you would think the V6 sounds better, who knows, everyone is different. But if you are planning to modify it, especially turbocharging it, the I6 would be easier since it is closely related to the Supra motor. But then TRD will most likely have a SC kit (supercharger) for the future GS330 just like how they have a SC kit for all Toyota's V6 engine. So it depends on lots of things and like rominl said, can you wait that long until the new model comes out?
01-22-03, 01:18 AM
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LSs1Power...........seems like the next generation GS might be better for you, since the next one is pretty much guarantee to have much more power then the current GS300.
rominl...........you are welcome. I hope I didn't offend you by saying V6s don't sound very exciting. Just remember it is all just my opinion.
rominl...........you are welcome. I hope I didn't offend you by saying V6s don't sound very exciting. Just remember it is all just my opinion.
01-22-03, 02:07 AM
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Originally posted by BNR34
LSs1Power...........seems like the next generation GS might be better for you, since the next one is pretty much guarantee to have much more power then the current GS300.
rominl...........you are welcome. I hope I didn't offend you by saying V6s don't sound very exciting. Just remember it is all just my opinion.
LSs1Power...........seems like the next generation GS might be better for you, since the next one is pretty much guarantee to have much more power then the current GS300.
rominl...........you are welcome. I hope I didn't offend you by saying V6s don't sound very exciting. Just remember it is all just my opinion.
01-22-03, 03:10 AM
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Originally posted by rominl
how different do they sound?! and technically would it be better to get i6 or v6?
how different do they sound?! and technically would it be better to get i6 or v6?
I6 car is going to have more space between the wheels (better turning radius). It should also be easier and cheaper to maintain (better access, one of everything: gaskets, manifolds, etc.).
The V6 is more compact (shorter hood, better crashworthiness), but the packaging inside the engine bay is tighter and the labor cost to repair something is usually more (you've got two of everything now, plus it's more difficult to get to things in there).
01-22-03, 03:40 AM
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I've read somewhere that the inline six is naturally the smoothest engine configuration because each cylinder's vibrations cancel each other out.
I6 car is going to have more space between the wheels (better turning radius). It should also be easier and cheaper to maintain (better access, one of everything: gaskets, manifolds, etc.).
The V6 is more compact (shorter hood, better crashworthiness), but the packaging inside the engine bay is tighter and the labor cost to repair something is usually more (you've got two of everything now, plus it's more difficult to get to things in there).
I've read somewhere that the inline six is naturally the smoothest engine configuration because each cylinder's vibrations cancel each other out.
I6 car is going to have more space between the wheels (better turning radius). It should also be easier and cheaper to maintain (better access, one of everything: gaskets, manifolds, etc.).
The V6 is more compact (shorter hood, better crashworthiness), but the packaging inside the engine bay is tighter and the labor cost to repair something is usually more (you've got two of everything now, plus it's more difficult to get to things in there).
01-22-03, 11:39 PM
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From what I've heard, in current form the 2JZ-GE won't pass up coming emission standards. Also the cast iron block isn't much help because of it's weight.
The new or should I say "freshed" V6 in the upcoming RX is gonna be somewhere around 230-240 HP, I'm not sure about the torque numbers but I'm sure they'll be at least 230 ft-lbs. This would be the most cost efficent route to go.
Something to look out for would be the 4L V6 from the 4-Runner, it antes up 245 HP, and 283 ft-lbs of torque. With that much more torque on tap it would significatly close the performance gap of the GS4 and I'm not sure if Lexus wants to do that.
The IS 400 that everyone has been so fanatical about could show up in this form. Maybe not as blood thirsty as the V8 would be but a great improvement over it's current 6 cylinder form.
I guess we'll have to just wait and see.
The new or should I say "freshed" V6 in the upcoming RX is gonna be somewhere around 230-240 HP, I'm not sure about the torque numbers but I'm sure they'll be at least 230 ft-lbs. This would be the most cost efficent route to go.
Something to look out for would be the 4L V6 from the 4-Runner, it antes up 245 HP, and 283 ft-lbs of torque. With that much more torque on tap it would significatly close the performance gap of the GS4 and I'm not sure if Lexus wants to do that.
The IS 400 that everyone has been so fanatical about could show up in this form. Maybe not as blood thirsty as the V8 would be but a great improvement over it's current 6 cylinder form.
I guess we'll have to just wait and see.
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