Car is too fast but not fast enough? Anyone?
11-11-13, 08:01 AM
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LOL I'm sure a guy with an LFA would tell you the same thing about your bloated 3780lbs IS-"F" with it's 8-speed lolomatic. 
Like it's been said, it's all relative. Coming from a 2006 Sentra 1.8 SE my V6 Altima was a beast. Then my friend turbo'd his coupe and mine was set in place, and after driving it around some I realized it was above average but not exactly 'fast.' And what is "fast?" There's quick, then there's fast. I don't think 99.9999% of cars sold today will ever go 'fast' up to their rated top speeds 99.999% of the time they're on the road due to congestion, traffic, and safety issues. Yet a handful every now and then on a daily basis will test out their engine's max RPM limit when tooling around on the highway for a few brief seconds.
Most of the time I think it's just the feel of the acceleration that gets people excited, as that's all that matters to me. The GEEeeee forces. Anytime I floor my GS4 for the brief 5-6 seconds it takes to reach 60-70 I let off and enjoy the adrenaline rush, thinking, wow, what a fantastic car, with 4 doors, luxury for its day and in decent shape. Then I sit in my brother's '98 6spd T/Am and when he floors it in 2nd-4th within what feels like instantaneous time, I can't stop laughing from sheer excitement, and quickly realize my GS4 can't hold a candle to it, but still feel it's great for what it is.
Like it's been said, it's all relative. Coming from a 2006 Sentra 1.8 SE my V6 Altima was a beast. Then my friend turbo'd his coupe and mine was set in place, and after driving it around some I realized it was above average but not exactly 'fast.' And what is "fast?" There's quick, then there's fast. I don't think 99.9999% of cars sold today will ever go 'fast' up to their rated top speeds 99.999% of the time they're on the road due to congestion, traffic, and safety issues. Yet a handful every now and then on a daily basis will test out their engine's max RPM limit when tooling around on the highway for a few brief seconds.
Most of the time I think it's just the feel of the acceleration that gets people excited, as that's all that matters to me. The GEEeeee forces. Anytime I floor my GS4 for the brief 5-6 seconds it takes to reach 60-70 I let off and enjoy the adrenaline rush, thinking, wow, what a fantastic car, with 4 doors, luxury for its day and in decent shape. Then I sit in my brother's '98 6spd T/Am and when he floors it in 2nd-4th within what feels like instantaneous time, I can't stop laughing from sheer excitement, and quickly realize my GS4 can't hold a candle to it, but still feel it's great for what it is.
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11-11-13, 10:44 AM
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LOL I'm sure a guy with an LFA would tell you the same thing about your bloated 3780lbs IS-"F" with it's 8-speed lolomatic.
Like it's been said, it's all relative. Coming from a 2006 Sentra 1.8 SE my V6 Altima was a beast. Then my friend turbo'd his coupe and mine was set in place, and after driving it around some I realized it was above average but not exactly 'fast.' And what is "fast?" There's quick, then there's fast. I don't think 99.9999% of cars sold today will ever go 'fast' up to their rated top speeds 99.999% of the time they're on the road due to congestion, traffic, and safety issues. Yet a handful every now and then on a daily basis will test out their engine's max RPM limit when tooling around on the highway for a few brief seconds.
Most of the time I think it's just the feel of the acceleration that gets people excited, as that's all that matters to me. The GEEeeee forces. Anytime I floor my GS4 for the brief 5-6 seconds it takes to reach 60-70 I let off and enjoy the adrenaline rush, thinking, wow, what a fantastic car, with 4 doors, luxury for its day and in decent shape. Then I sit in my brother's '98 6spd T/Am and when he floors it in 2nd-4th within what feels like instantaneous time, I can't stop laughing from sheer excitement, and quickly realize my GS4 can't hold a candle to it, but still feel it's great for what it is.
Like it's been said, it's all relative. Coming from a 2006 Sentra 1.8 SE my V6 Altima was a beast. Then my friend turbo'd his coupe and mine was set in place, and after driving it around some I realized it was above average but not exactly 'fast.' And what is "fast?" There's quick, then there's fast. I don't think 99.9999% of cars sold today will ever go 'fast' up to their rated top speeds 99.999% of the time they're on the road due to congestion, traffic, and safety issues. Yet a handful every now and then on a daily basis will test out their engine's max RPM limit when tooling around on the highway for a few brief seconds.
Most of the time I think it's just the feel of the acceleration that gets people excited, as that's all that matters to me. The GEEeeee forces. Anytime I floor my GS4 for the brief 5-6 seconds it takes to reach 60-70 I let off and enjoy the adrenaline rush, thinking, wow, what a fantastic car, with 4 doors, luxury for its day and in decent shape. Then I sit in my brother's '98 6spd T/Am and when he floors it in 2nd-4th within what feels like instantaneous time, I can't stop laughing from sheer excitement, and quickly realize my GS4 can't hold a candle to it, but still feel it's great for what it is.
i dont want to hear about any car being quick unless its running 12 secs in the quarter mile.
11-11-13, 12:23 PM
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But like I said, it's all relative. To me the GS4 is quick-ish but paling slowly, to someone else like my wife, she needs a barf bag if I step on it too hard and she isn't expecting it. To my brother with that Trans Am, 'yeah it sounds nice.'
You get the idea.Of course, driving my 3F powered 91 Land Cruiser for a trip puts evvvverything into perspective and lets me appreciate what I have. (It's zero to 60 time is measured in 10 second intervals. 20 seconds is being liberal and that's a lie).
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11-11-13, 12:29 PM
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Just 12? That's butt slow man. 10 seconds or go home.
But like I said, it's all relative. To me the GS4 is quick-ish, to someone else like my wife, she needs a barf bag if I step on it too hard and she isn't expecting it. To my brother with that Trans Am, 'yeah it sounds nice.'
But like I said, it's all relative. To me the GS4 is quick-ish, to someone else like my wife, she needs a barf bag if I step on it too hard and she isn't expecting it. To my brother with that Trans Am, 'yeah it sounds nice.'
bolt on trans am ws6 is def quick. compared to whats on topic, its fast, lol.
11-11-13, 12:55 PM
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Just substitute car as an extension of the OP's manhood, and street race as a ***** measuring contest.
Every car is a reflection of the the ***** length of the driver. But you don't know the actual length of the other driver until you do a measurement, i.e., race.
He is saying that that the only people who want to measure penises with him are drivers who have small penises; and in his Lexus since he is expected to have the longer *****, so if he gets in a ***** measuring contest, he has nothing to gain; just something to lose.
But at the same time the "big boys" whom he thinks are showing off with longer penises, won't accept his invitation measure their penises with him, and he is sad that even if one accepts his challenge and gets into such a measurement contest , he may turn out to have the shorter ***** and will be sad.
(OP: hope you have a sense of humor and laugh this one off, don't get angry or mad)
That's why I said go autocross, where there's a book that tells you exactly what class your car is in; so you are competing on the same "level" and you have a stopwatch time telling you who is faster.
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11-11-13, 01:45 PM
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I will translate.
Just substitute car as an extension of the OP's manhood, and street race as a ***** measuring contest.
Every car is a reflection of the the ***** length of the driver. But you don't know the actual length of the other driver until you do a measurement, i.e., race.
He is saying that that the only people who want to measure penises with him are drivers who have small penises; and in his Lexus since he is expected to have the longer *****, so if he gets in a ***** measuring contest, he has nothing to gain; just something to lose.
But at the same time the "big boys" whom he thinks are showing off with longer penises, won't accept his invitation measure their penises with him, and he is sad that even if one accepts his challenge and gets into such a measurement contest , he may turn out to have the shorter ***** and will be sad.
Just substitute car as an extension of the OP's manhood, and street race as a ***** measuring contest.
Every car is a reflection of the the ***** length of the driver. But you don't know the actual length of the other driver until you do a measurement, i.e., race.
He is saying that that the only people who want to measure penises with him are drivers who have small penises; and in his Lexus since he is expected to have the longer *****, so if he gets in a ***** measuring contest, he has nothing to gain; just something to lose.
But at the same time the "big boys" whom he thinks are showing off with longer penises, won't accept his invitation measure their penises with him, and he is sad that even if one accepts his challenge and gets into such a measurement contest , he may turn out to have the shorter ***** and will be sad.
11-11-13, 02:06 PM
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Mannn. All i know is that i love lexus. In my 4 years of driving i have had 4 cars. 2000 gs300, 2nd year i got a 1998 gs400, 3rd year i had a 2007 chrysler 300
and this year i got a 2001 gs430.
I have freinds that own fast cars. Camero ss. Srt8 300 and srt8 jeep. Some have cam/ ported-polished heads / nos and i feel with a somewhat built motor like them i would have no problem keeping up and actually overtaking. So who ever thinks our v8s are slow, i dont agree, as for being quick or fast, who cares in english its the same thing. Honeslty someone would get slapped if they stoped me in my sentence to go on and on about how quick and fast are different. But in reality that wouldnt happen because only on forums, do people point out such stupid things to prove a point, and address that they know more then us. Iv met very few know-it-alls.. That point out stupid stuff. And they are on forums all day cause they have no friends cause of their stink attitude. Anyways! I think my car is fast! Are gs400/430s are well known and growing-spreading through forums. And i have info to back it up.
http://ls1tech.com/forums/street-rac...s430-fast.html
http://www.chargerforums.com/forums/...ead.php?t=6612
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/gs-...-are-fast.html
http://m.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=71057&styleid=5
http://forums.audiworld.com/showthread.php?t=50622
Maybe some of you can track down the people on here and pm them. And give em a peoce of your mind on how quick, rather then fast our cars are
just leave me out of it.
and this year i got a 2001 gs430. I have freinds that own fast cars. Camero ss. Srt8 300 and srt8 jeep. Some have cam/ ported-polished heads / nos and i feel with a somewhat built motor like them i would have no problem keeping up and actually overtaking. So who ever thinks our v8s are slow, i dont agree, as for being quick or fast, who cares in english its the same thing. Honeslty someone would get slapped if they stoped me in my sentence to go on and on about how quick and fast are different. But in reality that wouldnt happen because only on forums, do people point out such stupid things to prove a point, and address that they know more then us. Iv met very few know-it-alls.. That point out stupid stuff. And they are on forums all day cause they have no friends cause of their stink attitude. Anyways! I think my car is fast! Are gs400/430s are well known and growing-spreading through forums. And i have info to back it up.
http://ls1tech.com/forums/street-rac...s430-fast.html
http://www.chargerforums.com/forums/...ead.php?t=6612
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/gs-...-are-fast.html
http://m.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=71057&styleid=5
http://forums.audiworld.com/showthread.php?t=50622
Maybe some of you can track down the people on here and pm them. And give em a peoce of your mind on how quick, rather then fast our cars are
just leave me out of it.
11-11-13, 02:30 PM
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You can't say "[Our] gs400/430 are well known and growing..." and then quote 5 threads from 10 years ago.
If you can't pull on a SRT8 Grand Cherokee - your car is slow.
Anyone who has been in the car hobby for an appreciable amount of time knows the difference between fast and quick.
I'm starting to think you're just trolling...
If you can't pull on a SRT8 Grand Cherokee - your car is slow.
Anyone who has been in the car hobby for an appreciable amount of time knows the difference between fast and quick.
I'm starting to think you're just trolling...
11-11-13, 02:39 PM
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See i cannot agree with this... I see ls1s.. The old ford 5.0 motors still being used today. And making great power. There are only very few cars that come with forged internals so pretty much every car has to be built to make high hp numbers.. I know the c63 amg has a 6.3 thats detuned, cause the same engine was in, i think the cl63 amg that made 515. Im sure a better tuned 1uz could easily make more then that 345hp
11-11-13, 02:41 PM
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LOOOL I guess looking back, 11 years ago there were very few cars with any kind of power like the GS4, unless you paid good money, so BACK THEN it was pretty decent compared to even those stupid Boxters and whatnot, but today, it's right around 'average' 0-60 performance in terms of sedans and coupes in the $20-30k price range that are more likely what you'll run across today.
We all want our car to be fast, but truth is today the GS4 is respectably fast enough but just not what it used to be, relative to its CURRENT counterparts.
You're comparing a '90s era high tech smaller displacement V8 with VVTI and DOHC with typical 40 year old gus guzzling pushrod V8 designs like the 5.7L in my brother's T/A that was sold in a very detuned, mild version of its capable self, that in fact is often cited as being underrated from GM so as not to undercut Corvette sales that used the same LS1 engine rated a few ponies higher. A few bolt on exhaust/cams/intakes and those 5.7 liters really woke up to their higher potential. The 1UZ is 4.0L and already at 300 HP (which BTW per Toyota's pre 2006 engine power rating methods was actually OVERrated @300) was well ahead of its time in horsepower for its size. Trying to get more out of it will take some good money whether N/A or boosted, so yes, you can wake it up, but then any car with a few $$$$ thrown on it today will end up being faster than the modded 1UZ, again.
On the other hand, I was just discussing with my brother over the weekend something that perplexed me a bit. How does a 3700lbs car that dynos 230-240 RWHP do 0-60 in < 6 sec and 1/4 miles in 14.xx, and yet my Altima with 240 FWHP and only 3300 lbs still get the same performance figures? Weird. It can't be gearing on the GS4's part to compensate for weight, because it pulls in just over 65 MPH at the top of 2nd gear, much like my previous Altima.
We all want our car to be fast, but truth is today the GS4 is respectably fast enough but just not what it used to be, relative to its CURRENT counterparts.
See i cannot agree with this... I see ls1s.. The old ford 5.0 motors still being used today. And making great power. There are only very few cars that come with forged internals so pretty much every car has to be built to make high hp numbers.. I know the c63 amg has a 6.3 thats detuned, cause the same engine was in, i think the cl63 amg that made 515. Im sure a better tuned 1uz could easily make more then that 345hp
On the other hand, I was just discussing with my brother over the weekend something that perplexed me a bit. How does a 3700lbs car that dynos 230-240 RWHP do 0-60 in < 6 sec and 1/4 miles in 14.xx, and yet my Altima with 240 FWHP and only 3300 lbs still get the same performance figures? Weird. It can't be gearing on the GS4's part to compensate for weight, because it pulls in just over 65 MPH at the top of 2nd gear, much like my previous Altima.
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11-11-13, 03:55 PM
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LOOOL I guess looking back, 11 years ago there were very few cars with any kind of power like the GS4, unless you paid good money, so BACK THEN it was pretty decent compared to even those stupid Boxters and whatnot, but today, it's right around 'average' 0-60 performance in terms of sedans and coupes in the $20-30k price range that are more likely what you'll run across today.
We all want our car to be fast, but truth is today the GS4 is respectably fast enough but just not what it used to be, relative to its CURRENT counterparts.
You're comparing a '90s era high tech smaller displacement V8 with VVTI and DOHC with typical 40 year old gus guzzling pushrod V8 designs like the 5.7L in my brother's T/A that was sold in a very detuned, mild version of its capable self, that in fact is often cited as being underrated from GM so as not to undercut Corvette sales that used the same LS1 engine rated a few ponies higher. A few bolt on exhaust/cams/intakes and those 5.7 liters really woke up to their higher potential. The 1UZ is 4.0L and already at 300 HP (which BTW per Toyota's pre 2006 engine power rating methods was actually OVERrated @300) was well ahead of its time in horsepower for its size. Trying to get more out of it will take some good money whether N/A or boosted, so yes, you can wake it up, but then any car with a few $$$$ thrown on it today will end up being faster than the modded 1UZ, again.
On the other hand, I was just discussing with my brother over the weekend something that perplexed me a bit. How does a 3700lbs car that dynos 230-240 RWHP do 0-60 in < 6 sec and 1/4 miles in 14.xx, and yet my Altima with 240 FWHP and only 3300 lbs still get the same performance figures? Weird. It can't be gearing on the GS4's part to compensate for weight, because it pulls in just over 65 MPH at the top of 2nd gear, much like my previous Altima.
We all want our car to be fast, but truth is today the GS4 is respectably fast enough but just not what it used to be, relative to its CURRENT counterparts.
You're comparing a '90s era high tech smaller displacement V8 with VVTI and DOHC with typical 40 year old gus guzzling pushrod V8 designs like the 5.7L in my brother's T/A that was sold in a very detuned, mild version of its capable self, that in fact is often cited as being underrated from GM so as not to undercut Corvette sales that used the same LS1 engine rated a few ponies higher. A few bolt on exhaust/cams/intakes and those 5.7 liters really woke up to their higher potential. The 1UZ is 4.0L and already at 300 HP (which BTW per Toyota's pre 2006 engine power rating methods was actually OVERrated @300) was well ahead of its time in horsepower for its size. Trying to get more out of it will take some good money whether N/A or boosted, so yes, you can wake it up, but then any car with a few $$$$ thrown on it today will end up being faster than the modded 1UZ, again.
On the other hand, I was just discussing with my brother over the weekend something that perplexed me a bit. How does a 3700lbs car that dynos 230-240 RWHP do 0-60 in < 6 sec and 1/4 miles in 14.xx, and yet my Altima with 240 FWHP and only 3300 lbs still get the same performance figures? Weird. It can't be gearing on the GS4's part to compensate for weight, because it pulls in just over 65 MPH at the top of 2nd gear, much like my previous Altima.