Interest in FIGS supercharger kit for 3uz?
12-26-17, 12:20 PM
#16
My 2002 GS430, all stock with all the bells and whistles, is worth around $4,000.00 according to KBB. You asked for opinions so here are my 2 cents: assuming the "other kit, a turn key with more plug and play", and assuming your lower price range of $6,000.00 (probably not realistic, this being the base kit price), I would still like to have a pro, with more experience and expertise than myself, install it.
Although my car has no problems, what parts would I have to refresh to handle the extra power, if any? Suspension, brakes,...? What gas mileage, somewhat irrelevant, should we expect?
Although this kit may be totally worth it, I think that your market analysis will show that the target customer you are looking is going to be someone that:
Although my car has no problems, what parts would I have to refresh to handle the extra power, if any? Suspension, brakes,...? What gas mileage, somewhat irrelevant, should we expect?
Although this kit may be totally worth it, I think that your market analysis will show that the target customer you are looking is going to be someone that:
- has extra cash lying around and really likes his car so much that doesn't mind spending thousands of dollars for an extra bit of HP
- is never going to sell his car-- the return on investment will be in-existent--
- has a more powerful and newer car, but is bored and wants a project
- has already done many, if not all, the mods that he/she wanted
- is not married (try selling this to your spouse)
12-26-17, 02:12 PM
#17
My 2002 GS430, all stock with all the bells and whistles, is worth around $4,000.00 according to KBB. You asked for opinions so here are my 2 cents: assuming the "other kit, a turn key with more plug and play", and assuming your lower price range of $6,000.00 (probably not realistic, this being the base kit price), I would still like to have a pro, with more experience and expertise than myself, install it.
Although my car has no problems, what parts would I have to refresh to handle the extra power, if any? Suspension, brakes,...? What gas mileage, somewhat irrelevant, should we expect?
Although this kit may be totally worth it, I think that your market analysis will show that the target customer you are looking is going to be someone that:
Although my car has no problems, what parts would I have to refresh to handle the extra power, if any? Suspension, brakes,...? What gas mileage, somewhat irrelevant, should we expect?
Although this kit may be totally worth it, I think that your market analysis will show that the target customer you are looking is going to be someone that:
- has extra cash lying around and really likes his car so much that doesn't mind spending thousands of dollars for an extra bit of HP
- is never going to sell his car-- the return on investment will be in-existent--
- has a more powerful and newer car, but is bored and wants a project
- has already done many, if not all, the mods that he/she wanted
- is not married (try selling this to your spouse)
To be honest it's my opinion that you could bolt this kit up to a stock ls, gs, or sc and you would not need to do supporting mods your not adding 300+hp yah know and most people that will be going after this kit they will have some suspension work and rims and tires anyway not to mention maybe more mods.
The gas mileage would deffinetly suffer maybe 10-14mpg you need to remeber a supercharger is always runnung do to it being belt driven unlike turbocharging which the turbo is running off of exhaust gassess.
Last edited by 05ls430518; 12-26-17 at 02:17 PM.
12-26-17, 04:31 PM
#19
FIGS will discover that when its time for down payment deposit checks there will be nothing but the sound of crickets. rr racing is selling supercharger kits for the rcf's because those cars cost a crap load of money and those owners typically have more money. or are willing to invest another 10 grand into an already 60+ investment. im pretty sure ive already posted every detail about how to supercharge a gs400/430 from basic 4psi. to 12psi. the only possible bolt on manifold available is from australia and cost 1,300. and thats not the cost of machining the top 30% of it off to make fit under factory gs hood.
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01-02-18, 10:48 AM
#21
First of all guys, the kit does not exist yet, so pricing is estimated but it would likely not be done for less than 7K. This is an extension of the kit that Brad Bedell did on the wagon we now own, making 418whp. We swapped a manual trans into it as well so that is another potential kit. Also, the idea is that you "seriously" post constructive feedback of you want and what you would be willing to pay for so we can make the decision to do it or not. I can guarantee our investment will dwarf the asking price, but we are pushing our car further and looking to see if there is a market to help us recoup some of the investment. That does not mean that it is done when we finish what we are working on. There are many hours beyond that to get something into a form that we would sell. If you want a builder kit, that is a potential as well. Just keep the discussion open and be realistic. There are fixed costs that establish the baseline price, and we do not work for free just like you would not yourself.
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01-05-18, 05:59 AM
#25
$7k is not an unreasonable price for a complete kit. Hell, the more popular GM LSx stuff is around $6-7k and their consumer base is probably 50x that of any lexus/toyota. You gotta pay to play. 418 rwhp is nice. Think about all the power that's lost through the drivetrain to make that number. I bet if you advertise the crank HP, you'd get people more excited.
Case in point: Here is a roots style for a Chevy 4.8/5.3/6.0 and its $6500. This doesnt include injectors, a ECM tune, fuel upgrades, etc.
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/m...83bl/overview/
Case in point: Here is a roots style for a Chevy 4.8/5.3/6.0 and its $6500. This doesnt include injectors, a ECM tune, fuel upgrades, etc.
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/m...83bl/overview/
01-08-18, 02:26 PM
#26
Few things:
1.) I very much like to see aftermarket options offered for our cars. The more performance options we have for our cars, the better.
Now if I put my business man hat on and think about this from a supplier point of view:
2.) I just saw the production numbers for the 2GS GS430, and they are miniscule.
2001 (5,982)
2002 (2,597)
2003 (2,271)
2004 (1,537)
2005 (422)
Compare that to a Mustang for instance, where Ford sells >100K/yr
3.) If we consider the 01-05 GS430 (I'm ignoring the GS400 for now), these cars are now 13-17yrs old and fully depreciated. Although a $6-7K supercharger kit price-tag isn't unreasonable by today's standards, finding eager buyers that will dish out more money for the supercharger than the car won't be easy, as already touched on by some folks above.
4.) As a supplier of superchargers to the market, I'd want to focus on a platform that:
a.) Must have high production numbers (GS430 isn't it)
b.) Must have a higher number of performance enthusiasts (a heavy 4dr sedan that only came with an auto transmission isn't it)
c.) Value of car must be higher, at least compared to the price of the supercharger kit (GS430 isn't it)
It's just reality. Although I think it's great that you are brainstorming, it appears to me that you are attempting to force a market that simply doesn't exist. People are overwhelmingly drawn to these cars for timeless styling, quality & reliability, and value.
1.) I very much like to see aftermarket options offered for our cars. The more performance options we have for our cars, the better.
Now if I put my business man hat on and think about this from a supplier point of view:
2.) I just saw the production numbers for the 2GS GS430, and they are miniscule.
2001 (5,982)
2002 (2,597)
2003 (2,271)
2004 (1,537)
2005 (422)
Compare that to a Mustang for instance, where Ford sells >100K/yr
3.) If we consider the 01-05 GS430 (I'm ignoring the GS400 for now), these cars are now 13-17yrs old and fully depreciated. Although a $6-7K supercharger kit price-tag isn't unreasonable by today's standards, finding eager buyers that will dish out more money for the supercharger than the car won't be easy, as already touched on by some folks above.
4.) As a supplier of superchargers to the market, I'd want to focus on a platform that:
a.) Must have high production numbers (GS430 isn't it)
b.) Must have a higher number of performance enthusiasts (a heavy 4dr sedan that only came with an auto transmission isn't it)
c.) Value of car must be higher, at least compared to the price of the supercharger kit (GS430 isn't it)
It's just reality. Although I think it's great that you are brainstorming, it appears to me that you are attempting to force a market that simply doesn't exist. People are overwhelmingly drawn to these cars for timeless styling, quality & reliability, and value.
Last edited by BayAreaLex; 01-08-18 at 02:39 PM.
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01-10-18, 01:56 PM
#28
Few things:
1.) I very much like to see aftermarket options offered for our cars. The more performance options we have for our cars, the better.
Now if I put my business man hat on and think about this from a supplier point of view:
2.) I just saw the production numbers for the 2GS GS430, and they are miniscule.
2001 (5,982)
2002 (2,597)
2003 (2,271)
2004 (1,537)
2005 (422)
Compare that to a Mustang for instance, where Ford sells >100K/yr
3.) If we consider the 01-05 GS430 (I'm ignoring the GS400 for now), these cars are now 13-17yrs old and fully depreciated. Although a $6-7K supercharger kit price-tag isn't unreasonable by today's standards, finding eager buyers that will dish out more money for the supercharger than the car won't be easy, as already touched on by some folks above.
4.) As a supplier of superchargers to the market, I'd want to focus on a platform that:
a.) Must have high production numbers (GS430 isn't it)
b.) Must have a higher number of performance enthusiasts (a heavy 4dr sedan that only came with an auto transmission isn't it)
c.) Value of car must be higher, at least compared to the price of the supercharger kit (GS430 isn't it)
It's just reality. Although I think it's great that you are brainstorming, it appears to me that you are attempting to force a market that simply doesn't exist. People are overwhelmingly drawn to these cars for timeless styling, quality & reliability, and value.
1.) I very much like to see aftermarket options offered for our cars. The more performance options we have for our cars, the better.
Now if I put my business man hat on and think about this from a supplier point of view:
2.) I just saw the production numbers for the 2GS GS430, and they are miniscule.
2001 (5,982)
2002 (2,597)
2003 (2,271)
2004 (1,537)
2005 (422)
Compare that to a Mustang for instance, where Ford sells >100K/yr
3.) If we consider the 01-05 GS430 (I'm ignoring the GS400 for now), these cars are now 13-17yrs old and fully depreciated. Although a $6-7K supercharger kit price-tag isn't unreasonable by today's standards, finding eager buyers that will dish out more money for the supercharger than the car won't be easy, as already touched on by some folks above.
4.) As a supplier of superchargers to the market, I'd want to focus on a platform that:
a.) Must have high production numbers (GS430 isn't it)
b.) Must have a higher number of performance enthusiasts (a heavy 4dr sedan that only came with an auto transmission isn't it)
c.) Value of car must be higher, at least compared to the price of the supercharger kit (GS430 isn't it)
It's just reality. Although I think it's great that you are brainstorming, it appears to me that you are attempting to force a market that simply doesn't exist. People are overwhelmingly drawn to these cars for timeless styling, quality & reliability, and value.
01-10-18, 05:26 PM
#29
Also above poster you are very correct a simple valve body uprgade to the transmission will help the transmission cope with higher power levels, in states with less strict inspection laws you can put the Toyota supra r154 transmission in the car and you have a stout combo. A company makes an bellhousing adapter for tbat as well.
01-10-18, 06:17 PM
#30
Having lived in Europe for years, do u want to backup that statement? Government, city, province or state, will regulate what u can & can't do to your own car. "It's for the good of the people, for everybody's safety". Not to mention that parts are scarce -- You'll find Renault, Fiat, Citroen. Peugeot, etc--, but Japanese cars are rare. Oh, did I mention the prices? Break a 100 Euro note and see how much it lasts. Compare Sidney or Tokyo and New York will look inexpensive. This is the best country to mod ur vehicle.