Man.....When Is Lexus Changing The GS?
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I haven't done a tour of the websites lately, I didn't know the E 500 was going for that much. Even then, at 302hp. Does the new E seem small for some reason? Maybe it is me. Aside from buying on looks, I don't think the E is worth a $10,000-12,000 premium.
Kind of like the LS vs the S Class argument. Talking major price differences here, what does that 20-30k get you? Looks and prestige, well yeah if that is worth 20-30k go for it. Until Germany get the unions under control, you will be paying way over what those vehicles are worth....
I would buy a new first year model, and I am willing to accept the potential issues of a new production run. There is something about having a new car for those first few months it comes out
Kind of like the LS vs the S Class argument. Talking major price differences here, what does that 20-30k get you? Looks and prestige, well yeah if that is worth 20-30k go for it. Until Germany get the unions under control, you will be paying way over what those vehicles are worth....
I would buy a new first year model, and I am willing to accept the potential issues of a new production run. There is something about having a new car for those first few months it comes out
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Originally posted by bitkahuna
Even if the new GS came out tomorrow and was gorgeous, I'm not sure how many on here would buy it because it seems like most people on here don't buy a new one, and I for one would not buy the first year of a new model.
But TXSTYLE - comparing a GS to an M5 - isn't that a bit much? Also, the E500 is 56,600 list for the BASE model, which no one buys. You can easily add $5K on that, no problem*. Don't expect much discount because it's new. Plus tax takes you to $66000!
Even if the new GS came out tomorrow and was gorgeous, I'm not sure how many on here would buy it because it seems like most people on here don't buy a new one, and I for one would not buy the first year of a new model.
But TXSTYLE - comparing a GS to an M5 - isn't that a bit much? Also, the E500 is 56,600 list for the BASE model, which no one buys. You can easily add $5K on that, no problem*. Don't expect much discount because it's new. Plus tax takes you to $66000!
My point is guys not to knock the GS, it's a great vehicle for "overall style, performance, and reliablility". You guys are like me "Car Enthusiasts", I know this. It's just that the platform is SERIOUSLY dated and the direct market segment competeitors have really turned it up....several knotches, in terms of Style, Performance, Technology, and reliability according to published reports.
And on the contrary Bit, even though I would take a hit on the purchase of a new one, I have bought several new cars, and if I feel STRONGLY about it, I would do it again. My GS400 was the first purchase of it's kind (4-door sedan and over $40k) but I learned alot and it gave me the confidence in Lexus to buy again. As a matter of fact, the gentleman who I sold it to a few months ago recently called me to praise my car I sold him with 67k+ miles on it! The GS gave me 4 years of driving pleasure and worry-free maintenance. And that is saying ALOT! I have never kept a car beyond 2 years out of 10 cars!
It's just being me, change is good and Style is HUGE in my book. Hopefully the "Change & Style" of the next GS will meet and or exceed my expectations....
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Originally posted by TXSTYLE
Dude, you know me better than that. I didn't even metion an E55! That is a whole nother Price & Performance bracket. Maybe you mistook the photo I posted above of an E500 (look at the badges) for a E55 due to the fact they installed the AMG wheels on.
Dude, you know me better than that. I didn't even metion an E55! That is a whole nother Price & Performance bracket. Maybe you mistook the photo I posted above of an E500 (look at the badges) for a E55 due to the fact they installed the AMG wheels on.
It's just that the platform is SERIOUSLY dated and the direct market segment competeitors have really turned it up....several knotches, in terms of Style, Performance, Technology, and reliability according to published reports.
The Lexus stereo and nav are still the best on the market, and I notice you still can't get dimming side mirrors on an E class like on a GS.
The biggest problem I have with the stock GS look is that the rear wheels are inset too much. The H&R spacers make a VAST difference in the stock look. Apart from that, I think it's still very competitive, and LEAPS AND BOUNDS better in terms of quality.
I expect the next GS to be a home run again...
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I'll be getting a new GS when they come out. I turned in my 2000 back in May and still sad about it. We just bought an IS but will trade it in for the new GS when it comes out mark my words.
I think the engine is fast enought as it is. Not concerned about it. I love new technology. And cars are the greatest front for the greatest technology.
I think the engine is fast enought as it is. Not concerned about it. I love new technology. And cars are the greatest front for the greatest technology.
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Originally posted by TXSTYLE
Not that I'm a fan of it, BUT...............Bimmer realizes the "everimportant" Style/Update factor to keep current and new generation buyers interested.......
Not that I'm a fan of it, BUT...............Bimmer realizes the "everimportant" Style/Update factor to keep current and new generation buyers interested.......
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Originally posted by bitkahuna
The biggest problem I have with the stock GS look is that the rear wheels are inset too much. The H&R spacers make a VAST difference in the stock look. Apart from that, I think it's still very competitive, and LEAPS AND BOUNDS better in terms of quality.
I expect the next GS to be a home run again...
The biggest problem I have with the stock GS look is that the rear wheels are inset too much. The H&R spacers make a VAST difference in the stock look. Apart from that, I think it's still very competitive, and LEAPS AND BOUNDS better in terms of quality.
I expect the next GS to be a home run again...
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I really like the look of the 98-2004 GS. When the 2nd gen came out, it still had some of the 1st gen look to it.
I hope they keep some of the 2nd gen style when the 3rd comes out, if they totally re-do I am hoping they don’t get too radical.
I hope they keep some of the 2nd gen style when the 3rd comes out, if they totally re-do I am hoping they don’t get too radical.
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blah blah blah, everyone complains about the new cars coming out look ugly. But when they come out everyone's like "WOW a NEW 5 series, it looks good." Just like when the new GS came out....how many people first liked it? Not many. I think personally the new 5 is awesome as is the new E. The next gen GS will probably not be my next car. MB and BMW have more features then Lexus and that's what I want.......more features.
However don't get me wrong I love Lexus and i know its quality is unsurpassed, and who knows if the new GS has a nice interior/exterior with just as many features as MB and BMW....I'm down for it. However I doubt it will, i mean a 97 E420, has Driver AND Pasanger side memory seats. A 2003 GS doesn't even have that. I mean comeon. I do hope Lexus makes the next GS to be comparable to MB and BMW.
However don't get me wrong I love Lexus and i know its quality is unsurpassed, and who knows if the new GS has a nice interior/exterior with just as many features as MB and BMW....I'm down for it. However I doubt it will, i mean a 97 E420, has Driver AND Pasanger side memory seats. A 2003 GS doesn't even have that. I mean comeon. I do hope Lexus makes the next GS to be comparable to MB and BMW.
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blah blah blah, everyone complains about the new cars coming out look ugly. But when they come out everyone's like "WOW a NEW 5 series, it looks good." Just like when the new GS came out....how many people first liked it? Not many. I think personally the new 5 is awesome as is the new E. The next gen GS will probably not be my next car. MB and BMW have more features then Lexus and that's what I want.......more features.
blah blah blah, everyone complains about the new cars coming out look ugly. But when they come out everyone's like "WOW a NEW 5 series, it looks good." Just like when the new GS came out....how many people first liked it? Not many. I think personally the new 5 is awesome as is the new E. The next gen GS will probably not be my next car. MB and BMW have more features then Lexus and that's what I want.......more features.
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I think as with new cars, it would take some time to grow on you. When I first saw the 7 series bimmer, I was like wtf did they do to the car?!? But now after it's been on the road while, it grew on me alot. So perhaps the new m5 may just do the same. I can remember a few other cars that I distinctly hated the styling when I first saw the cars in the magazines but grew on me later on. The 2003 Honda Accord was one of the them and the 3rd gen Acura Integra back in 94.