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Surely y'all have seen this already...(Edmunds GS 300 preview with picsa)

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Old 02-03-05, 10:19 PM
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Default Surely y'all have seen this already...(Edmunds GS 300 preview with picsa)

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First review. Sounds like the embargo has been broken...
Old 02-04-05, 07:22 AM
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"The 2006 GS is the ideal vehicle that uses the precise S Y N E R G Y of performance blended in perfectly with unparallel luxury to create the ideal performance luxury sedan"

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Old 02-04-05, 08:30 AM
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Plus, its engine block is cast in aluminum (the old straight-six it replaces was iron), which helps the '06 GS 300 shed approximately 100 pounds overall.


Don't waste much sympathy on Toyota, since it sits atop this industry's loftiest mountain of cash. But the global auto giant still faces a challenge when trying to inject a little more adrenaline into its Lexus products.

In cooking up the 2006 GS 300 (and the V8-powered GS 430), Lexus wanted a little more moxie, a little more swagger. And yet the principles of smoothness, silence, refinement and general conservatism that define the Lexus brand could not be violated.

"With this all-new GS," asserts Denny Clements, Lexus group vice president and general manager, "we will change the perception of what a performance sedan is all about."

How did the carmaker do? As GS 300 reviews roll in, we're confident the consensus will be that Lexus' midrange luxury sport sedan has been energized without being misdirected.

Sharpening the Edge
Some hint of the previous GS shape carries over to the new car, especially in the face. But most of the former ovoid proportions are replaced by taut surfaces and crisp creases. The long, sloping roofline and very short deck create a pronounced fastback effect. Overall the car is a hair shorter, narrower and longer than a 5 Series.

Inside, a Lexus is a Lexus is a Lexus. Fine materials, tasteful design and that impeccable touch the company does so well are still here. We might pick nits and suggest that the large, unadorned expanse of dash in front of the passenger looks a little stark. But the GS cabin will feel entirely familiar to a Lexus fan, and comfortingly polished to most anyone. Previous GS owners will recognize the gated shifter and three-pod gauge cluster.

But it's in the performance arena that Lexus really wants to differentiate this new car. The sprinter is the GS 430, using the same 300-horsepower, 4.3-liter V8 it has relied upon since 2001. With a new six-speed automatic transmission, this car is good for a claimed 0-60-mph time of 5.7 seconds and a governed top speed of 149 — the fastest Lexus ever. The GS 430 starts at $51,125, and we will have one in a full comparison test shortly.

The volume seller, though, will be the $42,900 GS 300, which makes use of an all-new ultrasmooth 32-valve double-overhead cam V6 engine. For improved efficiency, it features direct fuel injection and a variable valve timing system, which now adjusts both intake and exhaust cams. Plus, its engine block is cast in aluminum (the old straight-six it replaces was iron), which helps the '06 GS 300 shed approximately 100 pounds overall.

Peak power is up by 20 hp, from 225 to 245, and the V6 also benefits from the slick new six-speed automatic, so performance clearly improves, even in this "base" car. The last GS 300 we tested (1999) gave 7.5 seconds to 60. We expect the new one to be in the high-6-second range.

Everything but the Kitchen Sink
Tech junkies and acronym lovers have lots to swoon over in the new GS line. The 430 gets a new Vehicle Dynamics Integrated Management system (VDIM) that works with Vehicle Stability Control (VSC), traction control (TRAC), BrakeAssist (BA), antilock brake system (ABS), Electronic Throttle Control with intelligence (ECT-i), electric power steering (EPS), Variable Gear Ratio Steering (VGRS) and electronically controlled brakes (ECB).

The GS 300 gets along without some of the new-generation trickery (VDIM, VGRS and ECB), but we noticed no dynamic problems that called for additional techno-fizz, even during hard driving. We also weren't distracted by the overt intervention of electronic nannies, which is good.

Among the decisions GS 300 buyers now get to make is whether all-wheel drive suits their style. Lexus has ambitious hopes for the $44,850 all-wheel-drive version, which weighs 224 pounds more and trades slightly busier road feedback for the added traction. (Also, a GS 450h hybrid will roll out in about a year.)

The other big choice (not really a choice at all) concerns the spectacular Mark Levinson premium sound option. It's a true surround system, delivering discrete 5.1 multichannel playback, utilizing no less than 330 watts of amplifier power and 14 speakers.

The Big Secret
Obviously, the GS 300 will not hog the performance spotlight the way the GS 430 will, but you know what? The lighter, better-balanced GS 300 gave us a driving experience we might judge more pleasant all around. With less mass in the nose, the V6 car is quicker on its feet and more poised. It doesn't pull as hard as the V8, naturally, but unless you drive them back-to-back, you might not care.

However you spec out a 2006 Lexus GS, you'll find a spirited, sophisticated, elegant automobile that hits both the "luxury" and "sport" targets Toyota aimed for in this modern luxury sport sedan.
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It is interesting that in the end they say the new GS300 has a better driving experience than the new GS430. It also quicker on its feet and more poised.
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Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX

The Big Secret
Obviously, the GS 300 will not hog the performance spotlight the way the GS 430 will, but you know what? The lighter, better-balanced GS 300 gave us a driving experience we might judge more pleasant all around. With less mass in the nose, the V6 car is quicker on its feet and more poised. It doesn't pull as hard as the V8, naturally, but unless you drive them back-to-back, you might not care.
Defintely contrary to the naysayers that said the new 06 GS300 is a mistake for Lexus.
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Originally Posted by DrewSRX
It is interesting that in the end they say the new GS300 has a better driving experience than the new GS430. It also quicker on its feet and more poised.
Less weight. That helps tons with the sporty experience. Many magazine reviews, many times, (reviewers that KNOW about cars) prefer the smaller engine model cars. The 525 manual, with 184hp, has been called fun b/c its lighter and your more involved with shifting as you try to keep the car in the best gear.
The 1st gen TL, the 2.5 was favored by the press instead of the 3.2 as the 2.5 was lighter and seemed more fun.
0-60 in the 6s is plenty fast for most people.

The review was really a preview but it shows promise. Edmunds shoots ya straight. BTW, the current GS 300 weighs about 3,650lbs so if its 100lbs lighter, that would be incredible. And if the car breaks even with weight (added gizmos add weight), we then have a 6 speed, more HP car with the same weight as last years.
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Damn, are you sure this is a review. Doesnt look like they spent much time behind the wheel if you ask me. Its kinda...vague, lacking if you ask me. Like they took a whole bunch of info from the press and just reworded it to seem like they tested it. Compare this review to the review of the Avalon and you will see that the Avalon review is far more superior. Here they didnt elaborate on the driving experience of the GS. I guess I'm still going to have to wait for a real review.
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I want to see what Top Gear has to say about the GS forget edmunds.com
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"The GS 430 starts at $51,125, and we will have one in a full comparison test shortly."

I can see it now. GS430 vs. M45 Sport vs. 545i Sport vs. E500 vs. A6 4.2 Quattro vs. STS V8 vs S Type 4.2 vs Acura RL for the wildcard.

This will be the comparison test of the century!

Other than that, I'm a little confused by their closing remarks. They comment that the GS300 is a better driving vehicle when they don't seem to have driven the GS430?

-Michael-
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Default DId they even drive the Gs430

I agree with the post above: it sounds as though they didn't even drive the GS430, yet declare the GS 300 a superior ride. Pretty superficial review but probably excusable since the model is so new.

Look forward to more in depth reviews. The proposed model comparision listed above is one I would love to read.
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Yeah this has no depth to it at all well have to wait. They couldnt even state a exact 0-60 mark they were guessing. Anyway the car looks good.
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Originally Posted by flipside909
Defintely contrary to the naysayers that said the new 06 GS300 is a mistake for Lexus.
Especially interesting since they haven't driven a new GS430.

Also, loved this part...

The volume seller, though, will be the $42,900 GS 300, which makes use of an all-new ultrasmooth 32-valve double-overhead cam V6 engine.
Tough to get 32 valves in 6 cylinders.
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