Battle of the Big 3! GS series vs 5 series vs E class
02-08-05, 09:13 PM
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Battle of the Big 3! GS series vs 5 series vs E class
Well it goes without saying these 3 cars have dominated the sports luxury sedan market for the last 10 years. It started off with the 1996 E-class, winning Import Car of the Year, well deserving. It came with a 217hp V-6 and a 275hp V-8, times good for the low 8s and high 6s. The big quad lamps were eye opening and the interior was a huge step over the previous car. Benz sold DROVES of these cars, it was a tremendous success. And don't forget the 349 hp E55. This car leaned the most towards luxury in ride and handling.
In 1997, it was BMWs turn, with its new 5 series winning the 1997 Import Car of the Year awards. It had its smooth 189hp I-6 and the incredible 282hp V-8. Both engines pull like bulls, don't let the low hp #ers fool you. The interior was also better than the previous model and for all intents and purposes, this 5 series pretty much became THE BENCHMARK for all sports luxury sedans. It won every comparo except one (losing to the GS) and dominated everywhere it was compared. It had looks and class leading performance. It was pretty much perfect. BMW sold DROVES of these cars as well. Oh and for sedan perfection, there is the M5. Let me not forget to add, BMW gives us MANUALS, thank Lord for that. This car leaned more towards sport than luxury.
In 1998, the Lexus GS won the 1998 Import Car of the Year award. I won't divulge in details, we should know by now the facts. This GS finally brought Lexus a new, younger buyer, it was the fastest automatic sedan in GS 400 form and had new age NAV, interior looks etc etc. The press loved this car and the GS300/400 either won comparisons or fell short to the 5. Lexus sold many of these cars, not as many as BMW or Benz, as they didn't have as many versions. A high performance factory version never came. This car balanced luxury and sport, with many still saying it leaned a tad bit more to luxury.
These cars battled and battled and are considered the standards for sports luxury sedans. The Audi A6 finally got beefed up engines, and recently has fared well in comparison but has never gathered the publics heart, nor sold well. So it is not included.
Why did I go back that far in time? Well to show the cars HERITAGE some. Which is VERY important in this segment and cannot be overlooked. When people drop 40-60k large on a car, they want some prestige and some brand snobness. Of course a few say they don't care, but either they are lying or buying other cars that no one really cares about (thus proving my point).
The redesigned E-class came in 2003, and it maybe the most beautiful sedan or at least tied with the older E39 5 series. It is beautiful to look at. It has heritage. The interior is improved, though I find the plastics hard and somewhat low grade in some areas. But for most people, its a great place to be. Of course the E55 is the HALO car and even if they only sell limited quantities, it has brought a GREAT ripple effect on the E class. The V-8 was upgraded to 302hp, giving 6 second flat times to 60mph. Now the new E class is VERY pricey, 5-8k more than a Lexus GS in base trim. Add options like Panorama roof, special paint, etc etc, you can hit over 70k in a E-class!! Also the brakes have not been well received by the motoring press and just had a recall for them. The E is still leaning towards luxury with ride and handling butt it is never sloppy.
For 2006, THIS JUST IN, the E320 finally gets a new engine, the 3.5 V-6 from the SLK (and will be used in many future Benz products). This engine is coupled to a 7, yes, 7 speed auto!! 0-60 times are expected to be in the mid 6s for this engine. It makes 268hp ag 6k rpm and 258lb torque at 2400rpm. The 4matic (AWD) Benzes make do with the 5 speed auto (the 7 speed could not fit with the additional hardware). It goes on sale this month and pricing is expected to up more, about 51k base. The new E-class is selling well but quality concerns are sadly hurting this cars reputation.
The 2004 5 series came and, yes, your boy Bangle has to be mentioned. The previous 5 series was seen as perfect to most peoples eyes. Instead of a evolutionary change, he decided to shape the car in a blender and sell it to us. Lets face it, yes the car is different, but its quite ugly. And the motoring press agrees worldwide. Is not part of buying an expensive luxury car, owing something people will look with a smile with when u pass them? They should not be laughing or looking away, trying to grap a barf bag. The other part is the interior, which is again, different from anything else not a BMW but really, is low on quality. Feel the trim, the doors, the dash, it just is made of poor plastic. And again, the motoring press agrees. I do like it some, nice curves in some places.
Then we get to the engines, well the anemic at this point 184hp 525 will be replaced by a new 210hp 6. The 530 goes from 225hp to a new 258-horsepower 3.0 liter, which replaces aluminum with magnesium for a 30-percent weight reduction of the engine, It is the first six-cylinder to use BMW Valvetronic to improve throttle response and fuel economy. Now they may tune power up some more for the 530, not sure.
The 545 has 325hp now, and already is a sub 6 second car in automatic and a low 5 second sedan in manual mode (yes, you can still get manuals). Thing is, BMW is concerned with the gap between 545 and M5 (the 500hp king of the hill) so a 550 will also be offered late this year giving 350hp! This maybe a 5 second flat sedan with the manual, with luxury to boot.
The handling is still tops in class (6 speed auto or manual) but many state you lost some feel b/c BMW added every gadget in the world to try to make it better. Think "artificial". Finally pricing is OFF THE CHARTS. Period. BMW stated "we believe the 5 is simply a superior car and will be priced accordingly". Nuff said. Also, for the first time in YEARS, this car is not winning comparisons and is not on the 10 best list and simply, is not the best anymore.
Then we come to the new GS. Which Lexus promises will be even more sporty than the older GS. It also has BMW like electric do dads to help with steering. For those that owned a GS, we always felt the wheel was too loose at times (thus upgrading to a L-tuned ECU). This GS does us all a favor IMO, and grows less than an inch in overall length. The Germans are now all at least 192 inches long (they were all 189 inches long before). This is for better parking (not to mention the available parking sonar) and less mass. The GS 300 has the lowest power, 245 hp but with dual vvti and direct injection, should be as swift as its more powerful competitors. It does have the BEST fuel economy, period. 24 city, 30 highway. That is incredible. The GS 430 has 300hp still but those of us know, those are some well fed ponies, as this car has been a sub 6 second car for 8 years now. With a new 6 speed auto, expect the same if not a slight drop. in times. Where Lexus hit the nail is in the interior, it speaks opulence and simplicity. It also has that nice standard wood wheel. If you look at the curvatures in the dash, it leans a sporting looking. It reeks of quality in the typical Lexus fashion.
On to the exterior, which is Lexus new styling direction but IMO, looks like a blend of 1st and 2nd gen GS. And they also got most of it right. The trunk maybe too short to the eye but overall, it is a pleasing vehicle to look at. Pricing is the usual, down south of its German competitors.
Now lets recap here.
Prestige.In all 3 vehicle, you "ARRIVE". These are 3 darlings of the public.
Next, is price. The GS is the cheapest, a loaded GS 300 is 49k, the E350 STARTS at 51k! The loaded GS 430 is 58k, the 545 starts at 55k. There is no comparison. With the Germans, you have to pay more.
Driving style. If you really are as sporting as you say, get a manual BMW. Period. No automatic or manumatic can resemble a manual. We like fake ***** but they are not better than some nice naturals. If you drive mostly around town, to and from work, all 3 cars are perfect. The Benz may have the plushiest ride, the GS next then the 5.
---Also, what do u use in the car. How does the interior fit you. Are the buttons within reach? Can u figure things out (cough, I-drive)? If you use NAV, the Lexus screen is 7 inches. The Germans have much smaller screens. How are the seats?
Intangilbles-All 3 cars can be modded with the GS having possibly the most abundant parts and not as costly as the 5. Next is the 5 and lastly the E class.
Insurance, I have no idea
Maintenance, Benz dropped its free maintenance and is maybe average with reliablity, BMW has it included for 4 years/50k miles (which offfsets some of the price and problems). THe GS, is pretty much indestructable, change the oil and your good.
I hope you enjoyed this comparison.
In 1997, it was BMWs turn, with its new 5 series winning the 1997 Import Car of the Year awards. It had its smooth 189hp I-6 and the incredible 282hp V-8. Both engines pull like bulls, don't let the low hp #ers fool you. The interior was also better than the previous model and for all intents and purposes, this 5 series pretty much became THE BENCHMARK for all sports luxury sedans. It won every comparo except one (losing to the GS) and dominated everywhere it was compared. It had looks and class leading performance. It was pretty much perfect. BMW sold DROVES of these cars as well. Oh and for sedan perfection, there is the M5. Let me not forget to add, BMW gives us MANUALS, thank Lord for that. This car leaned more towards sport than luxury.
In 1998, the Lexus GS won the 1998 Import Car of the Year award. I won't divulge in details, we should know by now the facts. This GS finally brought Lexus a new, younger buyer, it was the fastest automatic sedan in GS 400 form and had new age NAV, interior looks etc etc. The press loved this car and the GS300/400 either won comparisons or fell short to the 5. Lexus sold many of these cars, not as many as BMW or Benz, as they didn't have as many versions. A high performance factory version never came. This car balanced luxury and sport, with many still saying it leaned a tad bit more to luxury.
These cars battled and battled and are considered the standards for sports luxury sedans. The Audi A6 finally got beefed up engines, and recently has fared well in comparison but has never gathered the publics heart, nor sold well. So it is not included.
Why did I go back that far in time? Well to show the cars HERITAGE some. Which is VERY important in this segment and cannot be overlooked. When people drop 40-60k large on a car, they want some prestige and some brand snobness. Of course a few say they don't care, but either they are lying or buying other cars that no one really cares about (thus proving my point).
The redesigned E-class came in 2003, and it maybe the most beautiful sedan or at least tied with the older E39 5 series. It is beautiful to look at. It has heritage. The interior is improved, though I find the plastics hard and somewhat low grade in some areas. But for most people, its a great place to be. Of course the E55 is the HALO car and even if they only sell limited quantities, it has brought a GREAT ripple effect on the E class. The V-8 was upgraded to 302hp, giving 6 second flat times to 60mph. Now the new E class is VERY pricey, 5-8k more than a Lexus GS in base trim. Add options like Panorama roof, special paint, etc etc, you can hit over 70k in a E-class!! Also the brakes have not been well received by the motoring press and just had a recall for them. The E is still leaning towards luxury with ride and handling butt it is never sloppy.
For 2006, THIS JUST IN, the E320 finally gets a new engine, the 3.5 V-6 from the SLK (and will be used in many future Benz products). This engine is coupled to a 7, yes, 7 speed auto!! 0-60 times are expected to be in the mid 6s for this engine. It makes 268hp ag 6k rpm and 258lb torque at 2400rpm. The 4matic (AWD) Benzes make do with the 5 speed auto (the 7 speed could not fit with the additional hardware). It goes on sale this month and pricing is expected to up more, about 51k base. The new E-class is selling well but quality concerns are sadly hurting this cars reputation.
The 2004 5 series came and, yes, your boy Bangle has to be mentioned. The previous 5 series was seen as perfect to most peoples eyes. Instead of a evolutionary change, he decided to shape the car in a blender and sell it to us. Lets face it, yes the car is different, but its quite ugly. And the motoring press agrees worldwide. Is not part of buying an expensive luxury car, owing something people will look with a smile with when u pass them? They should not be laughing or looking away, trying to grap a barf bag. The other part is the interior, which is again, different from anything else not a BMW but really, is low on quality. Feel the trim, the doors, the dash, it just is made of poor plastic. And again, the motoring press agrees. I do like it some, nice curves in some places.
Then we get to the engines, well the anemic at this point 184hp 525 will be replaced by a new 210hp 6. The 530 goes from 225hp to a new 258-horsepower 3.0 liter, which replaces aluminum with magnesium for a 30-percent weight reduction of the engine, It is the first six-cylinder to use BMW Valvetronic to improve throttle response and fuel economy. Now they may tune power up some more for the 530, not sure.
The 545 has 325hp now, and already is a sub 6 second car in automatic and a low 5 second sedan in manual mode (yes, you can still get manuals). Thing is, BMW is concerned with the gap between 545 and M5 (the 500hp king of the hill) so a 550 will also be offered late this year giving 350hp! This maybe a 5 second flat sedan with the manual, with luxury to boot.
The handling is still tops in class (6 speed auto or manual) but many state you lost some feel b/c BMW added every gadget in the world to try to make it better. Think "artificial". Finally pricing is OFF THE CHARTS. Period. BMW stated "we believe the 5 is simply a superior car and will be priced accordingly". Nuff said. Also, for the first time in YEARS, this car is not winning comparisons and is not on the 10 best list and simply, is not the best anymore.
Then we come to the new GS. Which Lexus promises will be even more sporty than the older GS. It also has BMW like electric do dads to help with steering. For those that owned a GS, we always felt the wheel was too loose at times (thus upgrading to a L-tuned ECU). This GS does us all a favor IMO, and grows less than an inch in overall length. The Germans are now all at least 192 inches long (they were all 189 inches long before). This is for better parking (not to mention the available parking sonar) and less mass. The GS 300 has the lowest power, 245 hp but with dual vvti and direct injection, should be as swift as its more powerful competitors. It does have the BEST fuel economy, period. 24 city, 30 highway. That is incredible. The GS 430 has 300hp still but those of us know, those are some well fed ponies, as this car has been a sub 6 second car for 8 years now. With a new 6 speed auto, expect the same if not a slight drop. in times. Where Lexus hit the nail is in the interior, it speaks opulence and simplicity. It also has that nice standard wood wheel. If you look at the curvatures in the dash, it leans a sporting looking. It reeks of quality in the typical Lexus fashion.
On to the exterior, which is Lexus new styling direction but IMO, looks like a blend of 1st and 2nd gen GS. And they also got most of it right. The trunk maybe too short to the eye but overall, it is a pleasing vehicle to look at. Pricing is the usual, down south of its German competitors.
Now lets recap here.
Prestige.In all 3 vehicle, you "ARRIVE". These are 3 darlings of the public.
Next, is price. The GS is the cheapest, a loaded GS 300 is 49k, the E350 STARTS at 51k! The loaded GS 430 is 58k, the 545 starts at 55k. There is no comparison. With the Germans, you have to pay more.
Driving style. If you really are as sporting as you say, get a manual BMW. Period. No automatic or manumatic can resemble a manual. We like fake ***** but they are not better than some nice naturals. If you drive mostly around town, to and from work, all 3 cars are perfect. The Benz may have the plushiest ride, the GS next then the 5.
---Also, what do u use in the car. How does the interior fit you. Are the buttons within reach? Can u figure things out (cough, I-drive)? If you use NAV, the Lexus screen is 7 inches. The Germans have much smaller screens. How are the seats?
Intangilbles-All 3 cars can be modded with the GS having possibly the most abundant parts and not as costly as the 5. Next is the 5 and lastly the E class.
Insurance, I have no idea
Maintenance, Benz dropped its free maintenance and is maybe average with reliablity, BMW has it included for 4 years/50k miles (which offfsets some of the price and problems). THe GS, is pretty much indestructable, change the oil and your good.
I hope you enjoyed this comparison.
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Well it goes without saying these 3 cars have dominated the sports luxury sedan market for the last 10 years. It started off with the 1996 E-class, winning Import Car of the Year, well deserving. It came with a 217hp V-6 and a 275hp V-8, times good for the low 8s and high 6s. The big quad lamps were eye opening and the interior was a huge step over the previous car. Benz sold DROVES of these cars, it was a tremendous success. And don't forget the 349 hp E55. This car leaned the most towards luxury in ride and handling.
In 1997, it was BMWs turn, with its new 5 series winning the 1997 Import Car of the Year awards. It had its smooth 189hp I-6 and the incredible 282hp V-8. Both engines pull like bulls, don't let the low hp #ers fool you. The interior was also better than the previous model and for all intents and purposes, this 5 series pretty much became THE BENCHMARK for all sports luxury sedans. It won every comparo except one (losing to the GS) and dominated everywhere it was compared. It had looks and class leading performance. It was pretty much perfect. BMW sold DROVES of these cars as well. Oh and for sedan perfection, there is the M5. Let me not forget to add, BMW gives us MANUALS, thank Lord for that. This car leaned more towards sport than luxury.
In 1998, the Lexus GS won the 1998 Import Car of the Year award. I won't divulge in details, we should know by now the facts. This GS finally brought Lexus a new, younger buyer, it was the fastest automatic sedan in GS 400 form and had new age NAV, interior looks etc etc. The press loved this car and the GS300/400 either won comparisons or fell short to the 5. Lexus sold many of these cars, not as many as BMW or Benz, as they didn't have as many versions. A high performance factory version never came. This car balanced luxury and sport, with many still saying it leaned a tad bit more to luxury.
These cars battled and battled and are considered the standards for sports luxury sedans. The Audi A6 finally got beefed up engines, and recently has fared well in comparison but has never gathered the publics heart, nor sold well. So it is not included.
Why did I go back that far in time? Well to show the cars HERITAGE some. Which is VERY important in this segment and cannot be overlooked. When people drop 40-60k large on a car, they want some prestige and some brand snobness. Of course a few say they don't care, but either they are lying or buying other cars that no one really cares about (thus proving my point).
The redesigned E-class came in 2003, and it maybe the most beautiful sedan or at least tied with the older E39 5 series. It is beautiful to look at. It has heritage. The interior is improved, though I find the plastics hard and somewhat low grade in some areas. But for most people, its a great place to be. Of course the E55 is the HALO car and even if they only sell limited quantities, it has brought a GREAT ripple effect on the E class. The V-8 was upgraded to 302hp, giving 6 second flat times to 60mph. Now the new E class is VERY pricey, 5-8k more than a Lexus GS in base trim. Add options like Panorama roof, special paint, etc etc, you can hit over 70k in a E-class!! Also the brakes have not been well received by the motoring press and just had a recall for them. The E is still leaning towards luxury with ride and handling butt it is never sloppy.
For 2006, THIS JUST IN, the E320 finally gets a new engine, the 3.5 V-6 from the SLK (and will be used in many future Benz products). This engine is coupled to a 7, yes, 7 speed auto!! 0-60 times are expected to be in the mid 6s for this engine. It makes 268hp ag 6k rpm and 258lb torque at 2400rpm. The 4matic (AWD) Benzes make do with the 5 speed auto (the 7 speed could not fit with the additional hardware). It goes on sale this month and pricing is expected to up more, about 51k base. The new E-class is selling well but quality concerns are sadly hurting this cars reputation.
The 2004 5 series came and, yes, your boy Bangle has to be mentioned. The previous 5 series was seen as perfect to most peoples eyes. Instead of a evolutionary change, he decided to shape the car in a blender and sell it to us. Lets face it, yes the car is different, but its quite ugly. And the motoring press agrees worldwide. Is not part of buying an expensive luxury car, owing something people will look with a smile with when u pass them? They should not be laughing or looking away, trying to grap a barf bag. The other part is the interior, which is again, different from anything else not a BMW but really, is low on quality. Feel the trim, the doors, the dash, it just is made of poor plastic. And again, the motoring press agrees. I do like it some, nice curves in some places.
Then we get to the engines, well the anemic at this point 184hp 525 will be replaced by a new 210hp 6. The 530 goes from 225hp to a new 258-horsepower 3.0 liter, which replaces aluminum with magnesium for a 30-percent weight reduction of the engine, It is the first six-cylinder to use BMW Valvetronic to improve throttle response and fuel economy. Now they may tune power up some more for the 530, not sure.
The 545 has 325hp now, and already is a sub 6 second car in automatic and a low 5 second sedan in manual mode (yes, you can still get manuals). Thing is, BMW is concerned with the gap between 545 and M5 (the 500hp king of the hill) so a 550 will also be offered late this year giving 350hp! This maybe a 5 second flat sedan with the manual, with luxury to boot.
The handling is still tops in class (6 speed auto or manual) but many state you lost some feel b/c BMW added every gadget in the world to try to make it better. Think "artificial". Finally pricing is OFF THE CHARTS. Period. BMW stated "we believe the 5 is simply a superior car and will be priced accordingly". Nuff said. Also, for the first time in YEARS, this car is not winning comparisons and is not on the 10 best list and simply, is not the best anymore.
Then we come to the new GS. Which Lexus promises will be even more sporty than the older GS. It also has BMW like electric do dads to help with steering. For those that owned a GS, we always felt the wheel was too loose at times (thus upgrading to a L-tuned ECU). This GS does us all a favor IMO, and grows less than an inch in overall length. The Germans are now all at least 192 inches long (they were all 189 inches long before). This is for better parking (not to mention the available parking sonar) and less mass. The GS 300 has the lowest power, 245 hp but with dual vvti and direct injection, should be as swift as its more powerful competitors. It does have the BEST fuel economy, period. 24 city, 30 highway. That is incredible. The GS 430 has 300hp still but those of us know, those are some well fed ponies, as this car has been a sub 6 second car for 8 years now. With a new 6 speed auto, expect the same if not a slight drop. in times. Where Lexus hit the nail is in the interior, it speaks opulence and simplicity. It also has that nice standard wood wheel. If you look at the curvatures in the dash, it leans a sporting looking. It reeks of quality in the typical Lexus fashion.
On to the exterior, which is Lexus new styling direction but IMO, looks like a blend of 1st and 2nd gen GS. And they also got most of it right. The trunk maybe too short to the eye but overall, it is a pleasing vehicle to look at. Pricing is the usual, down south of its German competitors.
Now lets recap here.
Prestige.In all 3 vehicle, you "ARRIVE". These are 3 darlings of the public.
Next, is price. The GS is the cheapest, a loaded GS 300 is 49k, the E350 STARTS at 51k! The loaded GS 430 is 58k, the 545 starts at 55k. There is no comparison. With the Germans, you have to pay more.
Driving style. If you really are as sporting as you say, get a manual BMW. Period. No automatic or manumatic can resemble a manual. We like fake ***** but they are not better than some nice naturals. If you drive mostly around town, to and from work, all 3 cars are perfect. The Benz may have the plushiest ride, the GS next then the 5.
---Also, what do u use in the car. How does the interior fit you. Are the buttons within reach? Can u figure things out (cough, I-drive)? If you use NAV, the Lexus screen is 7 inches. The Germans have much smaller screens. How are the seats?
Intangilbles-All 3 cars can be modded with the GS having possibly the most abundant parts and not as costly as the 5. Next is the 5 and lastly the E class.
Insurance, I have no idea
Maintenance, Benz dropped its free maintenance and is maybe average with reliablity, BMW has it included for 4 years/50k miles (which offfsets some of the price and problems). THe GS, is pretty much indestructable, change the oil and your good.
I hope you enjoyed this comparison.
In 1997, it was BMWs turn, with its new 5 series winning the 1997 Import Car of the Year awards. It had its smooth 189hp I-6 and the incredible 282hp V-8. Both engines pull like bulls, don't let the low hp #ers fool you. The interior was also better than the previous model and for all intents and purposes, this 5 series pretty much became THE BENCHMARK for all sports luxury sedans. It won every comparo except one (losing to the GS) and dominated everywhere it was compared. It had looks and class leading performance. It was pretty much perfect. BMW sold DROVES of these cars as well. Oh and for sedan perfection, there is the M5. Let me not forget to add, BMW gives us MANUALS, thank Lord for that. This car leaned more towards sport than luxury.
In 1998, the Lexus GS won the 1998 Import Car of the Year award. I won't divulge in details, we should know by now the facts. This GS finally brought Lexus a new, younger buyer, it was the fastest automatic sedan in GS 400 form and had new age NAV, interior looks etc etc. The press loved this car and the GS300/400 either won comparisons or fell short to the 5. Lexus sold many of these cars, not as many as BMW or Benz, as they didn't have as many versions. A high performance factory version never came. This car balanced luxury and sport, with many still saying it leaned a tad bit more to luxury.
These cars battled and battled and are considered the standards for sports luxury sedans. The Audi A6 finally got beefed up engines, and recently has fared well in comparison but has never gathered the publics heart, nor sold well. So it is not included.
Why did I go back that far in time? Well to show the cars HERITAGE some. Which is VERY important in this segment and cannot be overlooked. When people drop 40-60k large on a car, they want some prestige and some brand snobness. Of course a few say they don't care, but either they are lying or buying other cars that no one really cares about (thus proving my point).
The redesigned E-class came in 2003, and it maybe the most beautiful sedan or at least tied with the older E39 5 series. It is beautiful to look at. It has heritage. The interior is improved, though I find the plastics hard and somewhat low grade in some areas. But for most people, its a great place to be. Of course the E55 is the HALO car and even if they only sell limited quantities, it has brought a GREAT ripple effect on the E class. The V-8 was upgraded to 302hp, giving 6 second flat times to 60mph. Now the new E class is VERY pricey, 5-8k more than a Lexus GS in base trim. Add options like Panorama roof, special paint, etc etc, you can hit over 70k in a E-class!! Also the brakes have not been well received by the motoring press and just had a recall for them. The E is still leaning towards luxury with ride and handling butt it is never sloppy.
For 2006, THIS JUST IN, the E320 finally gets a new engine, the 3.5 V-6 from the SLK (and will be used in many future Benz products). This engine is coupled to a 7, yes, 7 speed auto!! 0-60 times are expected to be in the mid 6s for this engine. It makes 268hp ag 6k rpm and 258lb torque at 2400rpm. The 4matic (AWD) Benzes make do with the 5 speed auto (the 7 speed could not fit with the additional hardware). It goes on sale this month and pricing is expected to up more, about 51k base. The new E-class is selling well but quality concerns are sadly hurting this cars reputation.
The 2004 5 series came and, yes, your boy Bangle has to be mentioned. The previous 5 series was seen as perfect to most peoples eyes. Instead of a evolutionary change, he decided to shape the car in a blender and sell it to us. Lets face it, yes the car is different, but its quite ugly. And the motoring press agrees worldwide. Is not part of buying an expensive luxury car, owing something people will look with a smile with when u pass them? They should not be laughing or looking away, trying to grap a barf bag. The other part is the interior, which is again, different from anything else not a BMW but really, is low on quality. Feel the trim, the doors, the dash, it just is made of poor plastic. And again, the motoring press agrees. I do like it some, nice curves in some places.
Then we get to the engines, well the anemic at this point 184hp 525 will be replaced by a new 210hp 6. The 530 goes from 225hp to a new 258-horsepower 3.0 liter, which replaces aluminum with magnesium for a 30-percent weight reduction of the engine, It is the first six-cylinder to use BMW Valvetronic to improve throttle response and fuel economy. Now they may tune power up some more for the 530, not sure.
The 545 has 325hp now, and already is a sub 6 second car in automatic and a low 5 second sedan in manual mode (yes, you can still get manuals). Thing is, BMW is concerned with the gap between 545 and M5 (the 500hp king of the hill) so a 550 will also be offered late this year giving 350hp! This maybe a 5 second flat sedan with the manual, with luxury to boot.
The handling is still tops in class (6 speed auto or manual) but many state you lost some feel b/c BMW added every gadget in the world to try to make it better. Think "artificial". Finally pricing is OFF THE CHARTS. Period. BMW stated "we believe the 5 is simply a superior car and will be priced accordingly". Nuff said. Also, for the first time in YEARS, this car is not winning comparisons and is not on the 10 best list and simply, is not the best anymore.
Then we come to the new GS. Which Lexus promises will be even more sporty than the older GS. It also has BMW like electric do dads to help with steering. For those that owned a GS, we always felt the wheel was too loose at times (thus upgrading to a L-tuned ECU). This GS does us all a favor IMO, and grows less than an inch in overall length. The Germans are now all at least 192 inches long (they were all 189 inches long before). This is for better parking (not to mention the available parking sonar) and less mass. The GS 300 has the lowest power, 245 hp but with dual vvti and direct injection, should be as swift as its more powerful competitors. It does have the BEST fuel economy, period. 24 city, 30 highway. That is incredible. The GS 430 has 300hp still but those of us know, those are some well fed ponies, as this car has been a sub 6 second car for 8 years now. With a new 6 speed auto, expect the same if not a slight drop. in times. Where Lexus hit the nail is in the interior, it speaks opulence and simplicity. It also has that nice standard wood wheel. If you look at the curvatures in the dash, it leans a sporting looking. It reeks of quality in the typical Lexus fashion.
On to the exterior, which is Lexus new styling direction but IMO, looks like a blend of 1st and 2nd gen GS. And they also got most of it right. The trunk maybe too short to the eye but overall, it is a pleasing vehicle to look at. Pricing is the usual, down south of its German competitors.
Now lets recap here.
Prestige.In all 3 vehicle, you "ARRIVE". These are 3 darlings of the public.
Next, is price. The GS is the cheapest, a loaded GS 300 is 49k, the E350 STARTS at 51k! The loaded GS 430 is 58k, the 545 starts at 55k. There is no comparison. With the Germans, you have to pay more.
Driving style. If you really are as sporting as you say, get a manual BMW. Period. No automatic or manumatic can resemble a manual. We like fake ***** but they are not better than some nice naturals. If you drive mostly around town, to and from work, all 3 cars are perfect. The Benz may have the plushiest ride, the GS next then the 5.
---Also, what do u use in the car. How does the interior fit you. Are the buttons within reach? Can u figure things out (cough, I-drive)? If you use NAV, the Lexus screen is 7 inches. The Germans have much smaller screens. How are the seats?
Intangilbles-All 3 cars can be modded with the GS having possibly the most abundant parts and not as costly as the 5. Next is the 5 and lastly the E class.
Insurance, I have no idea
Maintenance, Benz dropped its free maintenance and is maybe average with reliablity, BMW has it included for 4 years/50k miles (which offfsets some of the price and problems). THe GS, is pretty much indestructable, change the oil and your good.
I hope you enjoyed this comparison.
1sicklex- if i may
-a very impressive write up as always. Personally. All these new models cars are failures. Simply put, like the E39 bmw will forever be a classic well respected dream car. The e class classy luxury top of the line car- both in their own right. A good comparison for our 2nd gen gs to the 3rd, and the acura legend to the rl( haven never driven one only the newer RL's), something went wrong. Why was quality seem to be sacrificed here/ in this day. (japanese = quality) (german = performance)
-What i think is their sucess got to their head. It's all about money- sales now more than ever, weren't thinking. Either that or they think they really know what their doing now so let's save money and go from attractive original top of the line interior to plastic, bulky, and weird. What about testing a car- like a movie- seeing how the real buyer likes it. WHat made them think that the new 5 look, or cheap interior is ok- before even comparing it to the classic e39.
Other examples
the new jetta coming from the value generally loved looks of the previous gen????
the new acura rl well which hasn't been good for a long time like many other models- used to love acura?????
the infiniti q45 has so much going with the beloved brightest lights ever- what
s going on with it's appeal though??
....etc
- I agree the new e series is gorgeous, but what is it with all these reliability issues. This is enough of a turn off. That is their mistake
- Lexus is always known for reliability, value in a package- simplicity not having to worry about anything. For it's time - the 2nd gen was good. Now it seems just not that way. (bad judgement in hp, rims sizes, handling, etc, and most importantly looks.) I really think the sucess is getting to their head, and their focus is off. Just like the previous leaders.
-I hate the new look of the gs- the fact that the design seems mixed in too - any other car look
. They went from the extremely sexy l inspired side profile- gorgeous car. Gorgeous car. Classy car. To this . Very dissapointing. That is their mistake- It doesn't matter should say the ride quality, (which new 3rd gen is also lacking with mistakes in HP choices...........)
It takes 3 things to make it good: look, quality, ride/performance and appeal.
The current s class is arueable GORGEOUS with capital letters but reliability (personal associate had the 02 - always in the shop, now with the 03 + is going great......
etc......
-Now some of these things are gone hate to say it but lexus messed up here, the gs is never the same. 1rst and 2nd gen is just another acura legend, or e39 that was a part of history.
-The three top (benz, bmw , lexus don't deserve the top stop - the rightfully deserved it, bmw doesn't completely, neither does mercedes just because of these terrible reliability- at least not the cars which are new. Lexus waaas better. Hopefully the new ls430 could get even better with more performance or else- it is lacking too.
-Now, who cares if their new- it's the best one that counts.
- For this reason, i'm starting to only respect older cars. stick for cars that seemed to be for the driver, or at least pay some attention.
Acura legend
lexus gs
bmw 5 series (1997-2002)
mercedes e series(1996-2002)
truthfully -plus all other lexus's ever made, exluding the gs(even though personally don't favor some e series, lx, rx series styling!!
can't think any other good cars- not that there might not be any....
-Some new ones are ok- yes the infiniti skyline(equivilent) is very nice- but the 2nd gen lexus is something special!
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02-09-05, 12:42 AM
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Two points; AMG and M
Bring back a stronger more performance driven L-Tuned and they would bring some customers over. Yeah it would be rough starting out but I'm sure AMG and M weren't so well taken to in their early years. Lexus is just so far behind in this game, but they need to start if they want to build a fan base. If people are still using old stock supra motors to run rediculous 1/4 mile times, I would love to see what Toyota could do if they wanted to launch a true performance Lexus.
Bring back a stronger more performance driven L-Tuned and they would bring some customers over. Yeah it would be rough starting out but I'm sure AMG and M weren't so well taken to in their early years. Lexus is just so far behind in this game, but they need to start if they want to build a fan base. If people are still using old stock supra motors to run rediculous 1/4 mile times, I would love to see what Toyota could do if they wanted to launch a true performance Lexus.
02-09-05, 01:30 AM
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Good writeup. I agree that this should be a good comparison. The German marques are having trouble with their new line-up for sure (although not in sales). The new E with their quality issues and all new Bimmers with their Bangle issue and that damned I-drive. Nevermind the falling $ and rising Euro, and it seems like we are beginning to revisit the days before 1989 (aka pre-Lexus years when the Germans kinda lost touch with their customers).
As for the new GS, I have mixed feelings though like it much better than gen2 styling. I love the front and the side profile, but the rear is pretty plain. I think it was a bad decision for them not to keep the GS's distinctive rear light treatment. Anyway, I think the design is less polarizing than gen2 where most people fell into the love-it or hate-it crowd. I was in the latter.
I hope Lexus does something about their engines. No matter how smooth, it becomes pretty evident that they have nothing to go up against the M or AMG lineup. Cadillac is even joining that party with the V series (which I think is absolutly awesome. There is no reason America can't build cars that are just as good as those from overseas). Lexus is being left behind in the hp wars.
That being said, I can't wait to test drive the new GS. I honestly have to say the only new car that really stirs my soul has been the Caddy CTS-V. That's saying something indeed. I hope the new GS is as inspiring.
As for the new GS, I have mixed feelings though like it much better than gen2 styling. I love the front and the side profile, but the rear is pretty plain. I think it was a bad decision for them not to keep the GS's distinctive rear light treatment. Anyway, I think the design is less polarizing than gen2 where most people fell into the love-it or hate-it crowd. I was in the latter.
I hope Lexus does something about their engines. No matter how smooth, it becomes pretty evident that they have nothing to go up against the M or AMG lineup. Cadillac is even joining that party with the V series (which I think is absolutly awesome. There is no reason America can't build cars that are just as good as those from overseas). Lexus is being left behind in the hp wars.
That being said, I can't wait to test drive the new GS. I honestly have to say the only new car that really stirs my soul has been the Caddy CTS-V. That's saying something indeed. I hope the new GS is as inspiring.
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02-09-05, 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Lex_Fnatic
1sicklex- if i may
-a very impressive write up as always. Personally. All these new models cars are failures. Simply put, like the E39 bmw will forever be a classic well respected dream car. The e class classy luxury top of the line car- both in their own right. A good comparison for our 2nd gen gs to the 3rd, and the acura legend to the rl( haven never driven one only the newer RL's), something went wrong. Why was quality seem to be sacrificed here/ in this day. (japanese = quality) (german = performance)
-What i think is their sucess got to their head. It's all about money- sales now more than ever, weren't thinking. Either that or they think they really know what their doing now so let's save money and go from attractive original top of the line interior to plastic, bulky, and weird. What about testing a car- like a movie- seeing how the real buyer likes it. WHat made them think that the new 5 look, or cheap interior is ok- before even comparing it to the classic e39.
Other examples
the new jetta coming from the value generally loved looks of the previous gen????
the new acura rl well which hasn't been good for a long time like many other models- used to love acura?????
the infiniti q45 has so much going with the beloved brightest lights ever- what
s going on with it's appeal though??
....etc
- I agree the new e series is gorgeous, but what is it with all these reliability issues. This is enough of a turn off. That is their mistake
- Lexus is always known for reliability, value in a package- simplicity not having to worry about anything. For it's time - the 2nd gen was good. Now it seems just not that way. (bad judgement in hp, rims sizes, handling, etc, and most importantly looks.) I really think the sucess is getting to their head, and their focus is off. Just like the previous leaders.
-I hate the new look of the gs- the fact that the design seems mixed in too - any other car look . They went from the extremely sexy l inspired side profile- gorgeous car. Gorgeous car. Classy car. To this . Very dissapointing. That is their mistake
- It doesn't matter should say the ride quality, (which new 3rd gen is also lacking with mistakes in HP choices...........)
It takes 3 things to make it good: look, quality, ride/performance and appeal.
The current s class is arueable GORGEOUS with capital letters but reliability (personal associate had the 02 - always in the shop, now with the 03 + is going great......
etc......
-Now some of these things are gone hate to say it but lexus messed up here, the gs is never the same. 1rst and 2nd gen is just another acura legend, or e39 that was a part of history.
-The three top (benz, bmw , lexus don't deserve the top stop - the rightfully deserved it, bmw doesn't completely, neither does mercedes just because of these terrible reliability- at least not the cars which are new. Lexus waaas better. Hopefully the new ls430 could get even better with more performance or else- it is lacking too.
-Now, who cares if their new- it's the best one that counts.
- For this reason, i'm starting to only respect older cars. stick for cars that seemed to be for the driver, or at least pay some attention.
Acura legend
lexus gs
bmw 5 series (1997-2002)
mercedes e series(1996-2002)
truthfully -plus all other lexus's ever made, exluding the gs(even though personally don't favor some e series, lx, rx series styling!!
can't think any other good cars- not that there might not be any....
-Some new ones are ok- yes the infiniti skyline(equivilent) is very nice- but the 2nd gen lexus is something special!
-a very impressive write up as always. Personally. All these new models cars are failures. Simply put, like the E39 bmw will forever be a classic well respected dream car. The e class classy luxury top of the line car- both in their own right. A good comparison for our 2nd gen gs to the 3rd, and the acura legend to the rl( haven never driven one only the newer RL's), something went wrong. Why was quality seem to be sacrificed here/ in this day. (japanese = quality) (german = performance)
-What i think is their sucess got to their head. It's all about money- sales now more than ever, weren't thinking. Either that or they think they really know what their doing now so let's save money and go from attractive original top of the line interior to plastic, bulky, and weird. What about testing a car- like a movie- seeing how the real buyer likes it. WHat made them think that the new 5 look, or cheap interior is ok- before even comparing it to the classic e39.
Other examples
the new jetta coming from the value generally loved looks of the previous gen????
the new acura rl well which hasn't been good for a long time like many other models- used to love acura?????
the infiniti q45 has so much going with the beloved brightest lights ever- what
s going on with it's appeal though??
....etc
- I agree the new e series is gorgeous, but what is it with all these reliability issues. This is enough of a turn off. That is their mistake
- Lexus is always known for reliability, value in a package- simplicity not having to worry about anything. For it's time - the 2nd gen was good. Now it seems just not that way. (bad judgement in hp, rims sizes, handling, etc, and most importantly looks.) I really think the sucess is getting to their head, and their focus is off. Just like the previous leaders.
-I hate the new look of the gs- the fact that the design seems mixed in too - any other car look
. They went from the extremely sexy l inspired side profile- gorgeous car. Gorgeous car. Classy car. To this . Very dissapointing. That is their mistake- It doesn't matter should say the ride quality, (which new 3rd gen is also lacking with mistakes in HP choices...........)
It takes 3 things to make it good: look, quality, ride/performance and appeal.
The current s class is arueable GORGEOUS with capital letters but reliability (personal associate had the 02 - always in the shop, now with the 03 + is going great......
etc......
-Now some of these things are gone hate to say it but lexus messed up here, the gs is never the same. 1rst and 2nd gen is just another acura legend, or e39 that was a part of history.
-The three top (benz, bmw , lexus don't deserve the top stop - the rightfully deserved it, bmw doesn't completely, neither does mercedes just because of these terrible reliability- at least not the cars which are new. Lexus waaas better. Hopefully the new ls430 could get even better with more performance or else- it is lacking too.
-Now, who cares if their new- it's the best one that counts.
- For this reason, i'm starting to only respect older cars. stick for cars that seemed to be for the driver, or at least pay some attention.
Acura legend
lexus gs
bmw 5 series (1997-2002)
mercedes e series(1996-2002)
truthfully -plus all other lexus's ever made, exluding the gs(even though personally don't favor some e series, lx, rx series styling!!
can't think any other good cars- not that there might not be any....
-Some new ones are ok- yes the infiniti skyline(equivilent) is very nice- but the 2nd gen lexus is something special!
I must admit it’s a lot truth to your write up. I love the new gadgets in the newer cars of today but I still have so much love for the Legend and the SC 400. I truly feel these cars were ahead their time. In all honest I think Toyota should just stick to making luxury cars period since they care so much about being the top sellers. Acura/Infiniti need to concentrate on making performance cars. The German car companies are only going to listening when people stop buying their car.
Toyota - Attack by offering Luxury cars
Infiniti/Acura - Attack by offering performance cars
02-09-05, 08:19 AM
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This is in response to somoeone here on CL that was telling me how im so "LEXUS LEXUS LEXUS" all the time. And that i needed to consider other makes and models, etc. With all due respect, there is a reason why im always lexus lexus. Its more than a name...its a reason.
There is a reason why lexus is number 1 in luxury brand sales surpassing all other luxury brand competitors. There is a reason why their service is unmatched in the industry because i can attest to that because i have seen how they treated my uncle when he went in with his 05 ES330 (soon to be traded in for the new GS) for maintenance work. It is truly phenomenal...all lexus owners know what i am talking about. No other competing luxury brand out there can match or come close to matching its service level. It makes you "WOW" in ever sense. The level of beauty in their cars particularly the new GS is just on a level of its own. The highest level of quality parts and refinement is put in to each of its lineup of vehicles. Every single little detailing inside and outside of their vehicles makes sense and fits perfectly together in every way. The cabin in the new GS for example, makes you feel like a king of some palace when you sit inside...lol you just dont want to get out of the vehicle at all one you become part of it. Its just gorgeous and a lot of the reviews i read said the same thing, that is one of the best refined and luxuriously detailed interiors ever in a sport luxury sedan.
I have never been a lexus owner but i have seen how they deal with their clients and offer service in both sales and their servicing departments. It is AWESOME! to say the very least. This new GS wil be my first new car and my first new lexus and i know the decision i made by picking this over any other brand is the right and perfect decision for the above reasons.
There is a reason why lexus is number 1 in luxury brand sales surpassing all other luxury brand competitors. There is a reason why their service is unmatched in the industry because i can attest to that because i have seen how they treated my uncle when he went in with his 05 ES330 (soon to be traded in for the new GS) for maintenance work. It is truly phenomenal...all lexus owners know what i am talking about. No other competing luxury brand out there can match or come close to matching its service level. It makes you "WOW" in ever sense. The level of beauty in their cars particularly the new GS is just on a level of its own. The highest level of quality parts and refinement is put in to each of its lineup of vehicles. Every single little detailing inside and outside of their vehicles makes sense and fits perfectly together in every way. The cabin in the new GS for example, makes you feel like a king of some palace when you sit inside...lol you just dont want to get out of the vehicle at all one you become part of it. Its just gorgeous and a lot of the reviews i read said the same thing, that is one of the best refined and luxuriously detailed interiors ever in a sport luxury sedan.
I have never been a lexus owner but i have seen how they deal with their clients and offer service in both sales and their servicing departments. It is AWESOME! to say the very least. This new GS wil be my first new car and my first new lexus and i know the decision i made by picking this over any other brand is the right and perfect decision for the above reasons.
02-09-05, 11:57 AM
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Kudos to Sick and his Manifesto
That was an enjoyable read and covered many salient points. The prestige factor is still in play.
"I would never want to be a member of any club that would have me as a member" Groucho Marx. "Things perceived as real become real in their consequences" Erving Goffman.
Toyota started making cars back in 1936 with the A-1. At that time Mercedes already had a model that was supercharged and had a fully independent rear suspension. Mercedes was an exclusive "foreign car" during the "50's, 60's and '70's. The SL (Super Light) captured the hearts of men and women everywhere as the ultimate prestige convertible. Only BMW had the cachet to compete while many others tried. Jaguar, Peugot, Audi, Citroen and Dr. Ferdinand Porsche. Now in the age of consolidation the boutiques are being bought up by the conglomerates. Acura was the first Japanese manufacturer to challenge the German hegemony. Lexus and Infiniti soon joined the fray. The difference is that they built from the bottom up by satisfying a mass market first and then entering the lux market afterwards. Everyone scoffed at the audacity of Lexus and the others. Now we see Mercedes trying to extend down into the mass market with their offerings and of course the purchase of Chrysler. Toyota is a cash cow and could purchase GM, Ford and Chrysler all at The same time in a stock merger. Lexus is now headed into the rarified air of the Rolls Royce, Bentley, and Maybach. The LFA concept designed by Leonardo Fioravanti shows that Lexus doesn't mind hanging out with Aston Martin, Maserati, Lamborghini and Ferrari. Instead of a "Coach" edition we might eventually get a "Gucci" edition.
"I would never want to be a member of any club that would have me as a member" Groucho Marx. "Things perceived as real become real in their consequences" Erving Goffman.
Toyota started making cars back in 1936 with the A-1. At that time Mercedes already had a model that was supercharged and had a fully independent rear suspension. Mercedes was an exclusive "foreign car" during the "50's, 60's and '70's. The SL (Super Light) captured the hearts of men and women everywhere as the ultimate prestige convertible. Only BMW had the cachet to compete while many others tried. Jaguar, Peugot, Audi, Citroen and Dr. Ferdinand Porsche. Now in the age of consolidation the boutiques are being bought up by the conglomerates. Acura was the first Japanese manufacturer to challenge the German hegemony. Lexus and Infiniti soon joined the fray. The difference is that they built from the bottom up by satisfying a mass market first and then entering the lux market afterwards. Everyone scoffed at the audacity of Lexus and the others. Now we see Mercedes trying to extend down into the mass market with their offerings and of course the purchase of Chrysler. Toyota is a cash cow and could purchase GM, Ford and Chrysler all at The same time in a stock merger. Lexus is now headed into the rarified air of the Rolls Royce, Bentley, and Maybach. The LFA concept designed by Leonardo Fioravanti shows that Lexus doesn't mind hanging out with Aston Martin, Maserati, Lamborghini and Ferrari. Instead of a "Coach" edition we might eventually get a "Gucci" edition.
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02-09-05, 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by akbergq
This is in response to somoeone here on CL that was telling me how im so "LEXUS LEXUS LEXUS" all the time. And that i needed to consider other makes and models, etc. With all due respect, there is a reason why im always lexus lexus. Its more than a name...its a reason.
There is a reason why lexus is number 1 in luxury brand sales surpassing all other luxury brand competitors. There is a reason why their service is unmatched in the industry because i can attest to that because i have seen how they treated my uncle when he went in with his 05 ES330 (soon to be traded in for the new GS) for maintenance work. It is truly phenomenal...all lexus owners know what i am talking about. No other competing luxury brand out there can match or come close to matching its service level. It makes you "WOW" in ever sense. The level of beauty in their cars particularly the new GS is just on a level of its own. The highest level of quality parts and refinement is put in to each of its lineup of vehicles. Every single little detailing inside and outside of their vehicles makes sense and fits perfectly together in every way. The cabin in the new GS for example, makes you feel like a king of some palace when you sit inside...lol you just dont want to get out of the vehicle at all one you become part of it. Its just gorgeous and a lot of the reviews i read said the same thing, that is one of the best refined and luxuriously detailed interiors ever in a sport luxury sedan.
I have never been a lexus owner but i have seen how they deal with their clients and offer service in both sales and their servicing departments. It is AWESOME! to say the very least. This new GS wil be my first new car and my first new lexus and i know the decision i made by picking this over any other brand is the right and perfect decision for the above reasons.
There is a reason why lexus is number 1 in luxury brand sales surpassing all other luxury brand competitors. There is a reason why their service is unmatched in the industry because i can attest to that because i have seen how they treated my uncle when he went in with his 05 ES330 (soon to be traded in for the new GS) for maintenance work. It is truly phenomenal...all lexus owners know what i am talking about. No other competing luxury brand out there can match or come close to matching its service level. It makes you "WOW" in ever sense. The level of beauty in their cars particularly the new GS is just on a level of its own. The highest level of quality parts and refinement is put in to each of its lineup of vehicles. Every single little detailing inside and outside of their vehicles makes sense and fits perfectly together in every way. The cabin in the new GS for example, makes you feel like a king of some palace when you sit inside...lol you just dont want to get out of the vehicle at all one you become part of it. Its just gorgeous and a lot of the reviews i read said the same thing, that is one of the best refined and luxuriously detailed interiors ever in a sport luxury sedan.
I have never been a lexus owner but i have seen how they deal with their clients and offer service in both sales and their servicing departments. It is AWESOME! to say the very least. This new GS wil be my first new car and my first new lexus and i know the decision i made by picking this over any other brand is the right and perfect decision for the above reasons.
Lexus service overall is above average, but it also in some cases depends on the dealer. I'm glad you had a good experience at your uncle's dealer, it should be that great. However when you get your own Lexus, make sure they keep that same great service for you too. I get great service at my Lexus as well as BMW dealer also, but I have also heard horror stories about other dealerships (both Lexus and BMW).
Also have you had the chance to drive the car? That is one of the most crucial decision making factors of them all. You can see the car in person, you can sit inside the car, but you have to drive it and compare it to the others to see if it's right for you. I too will reserve my final decision when I test drive this GS later this month.
Again, I too believe the new GS is a great vehicle and a step in the right direction (I am also a former GS430 owner), which is why I am considering this new GS too.
02-09-05, 06:19 PM
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Thanks everyone for the kind words. Let me all a couple more things all 3 cars have.
1. High resale value. This is very important to the luxury car buyer. Even if you don't sell your car, people like to know and feel it is a wanted item. And for those that do resale, they will stick with cars that keep a higher resale value.
2. No rebates. Rebates destroys a cars resale and image. You won't see these 3 cars with ads saying "get 8k off MSRP". It just won't happen, instead of rebates, the companies will add perks, lower financing rate specials or simply add more features and freshen the cars up.
Let me all a couple more things all 3 cars have.1. High resale value. This is very important to the luxury car buyer. Even if you don't sell your car, people like to know and feel it is a wanted item. And for those that do resale, they will stick with cars that keep a higher resale value.
2. No rebates. Rebates destroys a cars resale and image. You won't see these 3 cars with ads saying "get 8k off MSRP". It just won't happen, instead of rebates, the companies will add perks, lower financing rate specials or simply add more features and freshen the cars up.
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Speaking of resale value, AutoSpies (yeah, every once in a while they tell you something interesting. Every once in a while) posted this photo of a sticker BMW dealers are posting
