Another Brief Review of the Infinity M
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Sandman If you look at the link that SexySC posted above on page 4 and 6 it shows the silver show car that followed after the concept. Sorry I could not figure out how to post the pictures I have of it on my computer. The show car looks a little lower, wider and seems to have a flatter nose with a different styled airdam. I wish they just reproduced exactly that car which did look like an expensive luxury car and had many people believing it was the best looking midsize luxury to come out. I was unable to drive the M but the interior was very well done and blows away the G35. Fit and finish and quality of the plastics were very good too. The wood looked better once you were close it. I just did not like the color. I wish there was a choice of a darker cherrywood and that light tan colored wood like in the Audi A8.
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Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
No magazine has tested the car yet. Every review has used the Lexus estimated times.
I am sure all the April mags will have tests of the GS, so look out for them.
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Is speed all that matters now a days?
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Torque is the same as off the line speed and passing 50-80. Horsepower is for cruising fast and cutting the wind. Then you have the speed limiters.....
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Originally Posted by Rockville
Torque is the same as off the line speed and passing 50-80. Horsepower is for cruising fast and cutting the wind. Then you have the speed limiters.....
To put it in layman's terms (more like terms that even saabfan can understand
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Originally Posted by Rockville
Torque is the same as off the line speed and passing 50-80. Horsepower is for cruising fast and cutting the wind. Then you have the speed limiters.....
Maybe more math than you might want
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Originally Posted by Sandman
Check out this link for a Primer on Torque and Horsepower: http://www.vettenet.org/torquehp.html
Maybe more math than you might want
but it is a real good writeup - to add to what Rock has said.
Maybe more math than you might want
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Originally Posted by SexySC
Here is a link that shows the car from CGI concept to actual concept car to M35/45:
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/sho...initi+M35%2F45
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/sho...initi+M35%2F45
I'm not sure what to think. The Nissan Fuga car on Pg 1 seems to be the same body as the Production M but with a little different take on some of the accents and grill. A lot of those pictures appear to be drawings - CAD renderings. Looks pretty nice for a Nissan.
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On Pg 4 some of the pictures appear to be the same as the production M. On pg 5 I see a picture with a blacked-out grill. Looks good but still to be the Production M. Further on Pg 5 (post #71) I see the concept car you are talking about (I think). That is pretty tough looking. Very nice.
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Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
No magazine has tested the car yet. Every review has used the Lexus estimated times.
I am sure all the April mags will have tests of the GS, so look out for them.
And I have to double check but one mag got a 5.6 run and not sure what the other one did off the top of my head.
We'll see, the M45 does look to be faster than the GS 430 with the specs we have.
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And I have to double check but one mag got a 5.6 run and not sure what the other one did off the top of my head.
We'll see, the M45 does look to be faster than the GS 430 with the specs we have.
6.3s (MT)
M45:
5.6s (C&D)
5.3s (R&T)
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Originally Posted by Sandman
. . . The Nissan Fuga car on Pg 1 seems to be the same body as the Production M but with a little different take on some of the accents and grill. A lot of those pictures appear to be drawings - CAD renderings. Looks pretty nice for a Nissan.
On Pg 4 some of the pictures appear to be the same as the production M. On pg 5 I see a picture with a blacked-out grill. Looks good but still to be the Production M. Further on Pg 5 (post #71) I see the concept car you are talking about (I think). That is pretty tough looking. Very nice.
I wonder why the Production M doesn't use more of the styling of the concept?
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On Pg 4 some of the pictures appear to be the same as the production M. On pg 5 I see a picture with a blacked-out grill. Looks good but still to be the Production M. Further on Pg 5 (post #71) I see the concept car you are talking about (I think). That is pretty tough looking. Very nice.
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This is the concept car which obviously looks different from the M35/45 we're seeing on sale now :
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Sorry, it was on page 4 and 7 of the link SexySC posted that had the 2nd interation of the M I was talking about. You can notice the bottom part of the front end is integrated in the center which gave it a more aggresive elegant look where the production is broken up and seperate. There was also the white leather shifter and accents in the otherwise identical interior.
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Originally Posted by saabfan
Thank you for the link. I actually already googled that and I'm ashamed to say that my brain isn't working at the moment. Perhaps tomorrow I'll be able to make some sense of it. Perhaps not. ![Wink](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif)
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I think that the key is to try to come a way with an intuitive understanding of what torque and HP is all about. Unless you are an Engineer (yes, guilty Your Honor) the math just might give you a headache!
It is important to know that Horsepower and Torque are related (Mathematically). In fact, at 5252 RPM Torque and HP are exactly equal - in every car - because the equation that defines them says so.
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I'll try to offer some things to consider. (And I hope I don't make things worse!
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** Torque is a “FORCE” (a “twisting force”). It says how much weight you can move.
** HP is a “POWER”. It says how quickly you can move that weight. It is a function of RPMs.
If you lift 100lbs 1 foot you have done a certain amount of “Work” (a physics term). Whether you move that 100lbs in 1 second, 1 minute or 1 year doesn’t matter – it is all the same amount of “Work”. Torque tells you how much “Work” you can do. The faster you do that “work” the more “Power” you are demonstrating.
In general, you want an engine that has a lot of torque at low RPMs.
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For any given torque, the longer the engine can spin (higher RPMs) at this torque the higher the “Horse Power Rating”. It is hard to separate torque and horsepower. They are both important. And they both help you understand this dynamic in an engine.
The new Acura RL engine produces 260 “lb-ft” of torque but you have to get all the way to 5000 RPM to get there. The GS430 produces 325lb-ft of torque all the way down at 3400 RPM. Even though they are both 300HP the 430 kicks the crap out of the RL – because it pulls a lot harder from down low and keeps pulling until about the same time the RL cuts out. (Being 200lbs lighter helps a lot too!)
The most intuitive way to think about it is: Torque is what you feel in you back when you mash the gas pedal. Horsepower is what is calculated – and is determined by how long that feeling lasts in your back before you have to shift.
Pull hard low – pull hard long!
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Originally Posted by SexySC
That's a merged thread, so some of the images are reposts
that's why you see some images posted twice.
This is the concept car which obviously looks different from the M35/45 we're seeing on sale now :
As for my signature, the pictures are my cars
You get your Lexus, takes pics of it & upload them in the Clublexus gallery. You can then go to the photoshop forum here & there will be members there that'll gladly design a signature for you using the pics of your car.
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As for my signature, the pictures are my cars
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That was the best explanation of Torque and Horsepower I've ever read. I am going to print that and give it to my customers. The Electric Motor/Generators offer maximum torque between 1000 and 2000 RPM's and that is why the Hybrid High Performance GS450h will be so revolutionary. When Denny Clements announces it in New York you will probably be able to hear a pin drop. When I had the GS up on a rack I kept looking for space to put the electric motor(s). There's not a lot of room. I've held the alkaline battery pack of the RX400h which is a flat 100 lb. slab. The battery output is the key. It is said that you can get between 60-75 horsepower out of each motor/generator depending on the battery capacity. The burst of power can last about 10 seconds and then starts to require battery to be recharged. Also we got to play with a model of the CVT which was made of Plexiglas. There was two Planetary gearsets placed side by side and it gave many ratio combinations controlled by another motor/generator/starter for the gas engine. If the 3.5 liter gas engine remains optimized for performance ( unlike the RX )and you add the HP of one Motor/generator you get approx. 370 to to 390 Horsepower. This may require a more exotic battery such as a lithium ion. Panasonic will have to take care of that. Expect the torque of a medium V8. We are on the threshold of a Brave New World.....A. Huxley
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Originally Posted by Sandman
The most intuitive way to think about it is: Torque is what you feel in you back when you mash the gas pedal. Horsepower is what is calculated – and is determined by how long that feeling lasts in your back before you have to shift.
Pull hard low – pull hard long!
Pull hard low – pull hard long!
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Originally Posted by Rockville
The battery output is the key. It is said that you can get between 60-75 horsepower out of each motor/generator depending on the battery capacity. The burst of power can last about 10 seconds and then starts to require battery to be recharged.