Car and Driver $55K sedan comparo: 1) M45, 2) RL, 3) GS430, 4) E350, 5) A6, 6) 530i
03-23-05, 01:14 PM
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The A6 really looks ugly in that colour from that angle. Like an inflated Passat on steroids.
Now that I know the GS450h is RWD, I really hope Infiniti brings out an M45X. That will be my next car!
Now that I know the GS450h is RWD, I really hope Infiniti brings out an M45X. That will be my next car!
03-23-05, 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
I'm sorry but Car and Driver had to protect their RL 10 best winner in this comparo.
Besides, a 1 point difference wouldn't signify protecting anything. The RL's fit and finish is clearly on par with the GS.
Also the new GS wasn't even out when the 10 best car list came out, thus it would be perfectly fine for the GS to picked over the RL in this sense.
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03-23-05, 01:31 PM
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I never said the RL fit and finish was bad. It is quite good. Just my opinion (much like the C&D review) that there were so many lines here and there and the whole dash just looks awkward, to me. Some think its grand and futuristic.
I predicted before, the M45 will win most all mag reviews for it being the sportiest sedan on par with the BMW. Unless the mags say they are looking for something else, they will always pick the sportiest car. So IMO, the M45 is well deserving. But to pick the RL 2nd, for anyone that had driven the 2 or ANY V-6 vs V-8 car, the main reason to pick the RL is cheaper price, which it did have and won that category.
Legendary Acura quality and re-sale(their words)? THey have posted letters from people complaining about the tranny problems in the TL/CL. The previous RL has dismal resale.
I am reading this review again, they had nothing bad to say about the GS. They also explained almost nothing, compared to most other reviews we have seen.
I predicted before, the M45 will win most all mag reviews for it being the sportiest sedan on par with the BMW. Unless the mags say they are looking for something else, they will always pick the sportiest car. So IMO, the M45 is well deserving. But to pick the RL 2nd, for anyone that had driven the 2 or ANY V-6 vs V-8 car, the main reason to pick the RL is cheaper price, which it did have and won that category.
Legendary Acura quality and re-sale(their words)? THey have posted letters from people complaining about the tranny problems in the TL/CL. The previous RL has dismal resale.
I am reading this review again, they had nothing bad to say about the GS. They also explained almost nothing, compared to most other reviews we have seen.
03-23-05, 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by rominl
and i also agree about the japanese vs german thing, it's time for japanese cars to take over
http://www.automotivearticles.com/Th...at_Lexus.shtml
Krause did give Lexus a few pointers on what he thinks they’ll need to do before they can become a true premium brand by his standards. He says Lexus needs designs that “appeal worldwide” – funny, considering Chris Bangle has been bashing every BMW he touches with the ugly bat. Also needed are a consistent global brand image and a factory in Europe that produces made-to-order vehicles.
03-23-05, 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by rominl
wow congrats to the m, that's very nice
and i also agree about the japanese vs german thing, it's time for japanese cars to take over
and i also agree about the japanese vs german thing, it's time for japanese cars to take over
I like the interior of the GS430 better & it's more comfortable for me, but the M45 is a fun sedan to drive 
03-23-05, 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by AmethySC
Have you driven the new M45 yet ? I have & is only the non-sport version & it already handles very well & is blazingly quick I like the interior of the GS430 better & it's more comfortable for me, but the M45 is a fun sedan to drive
I like the interior of the GS430 better & it's more comfortable for me, but the M45 is a fun sedan to drive
03-23-05, 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by flipside909
Yeah no doubt...BMW CEO Krause...where are you at now?
http://www.automotivearticles.com/Th...at_Lexus.shtml
http://www.automotivearticles.com/Th...at_Lexus.shtml
03-23-05, 01:48 PM
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The Lexus did very well:
9 in handling like the less nose heavy 530i
5.7 sec 0-60 second best (Faster than the A8 and STS) to anyone who ever claimed Toyota's horses are not the same
9 in handling like the less nose heavy 530i
5.7 sec 0-60 second best (Faster than the A8 and STS) to anyone who ever claimed Toyota's horses are not the same
03-23-05, 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by dseag2
Well, the RL did earn a "10" for fit/finish and the GS earned a "9", so I don't think price totally dictated the order.
For example, RL's V6 engine, which was pretty weak compared to others - engine flexibility was judged at 3, while GS's V8 got 4.. Thats interesting because in every performance engine figure, GS was more than a sec faster... 50-70 - GS does it in 3.9 sec, RL did it in 5.1 sec...
Compared to M45 Sport, GS430 actually did quite well in power department - all engine power speed tests are quite interesting and GS trails M45 only by 0.2 secs in 30-50mph, 50-70mph tests.
03-23-05, 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
I am reading this review again, they had nothing bad to say about the GS. They also explained almost nothing, compared to most other reviews we have seen.
I agree that it's a very short review though. Not detailed at all.
03-23-05, 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by XeroK00L
Well you must have missed the part where they gripe about how VDIM "assumes control in fairly intrusive fashion" and can "screw up a carefully plotted corner entry". That anti-fun factor must be a pretty big no-no for C&D.
I agree that it's a very short review though. Not detailed at all.
I agree that it's a very short review though. Not detailed at all.
Which is funny b/c 99% of buyers are not going to be hot ******* these cars anyway.
The RL High is "strong high RPM thrust". Well most luxury car buyers don't want it high, they want it low. This is not the RSX market. THey say the RL back seat is a "low" but looking at scores, this was not reflected there.
I just noticed, C &D states they drove a pre-production GS?
03-23-05, 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
I'm sorry but Car and Driver had to protect their RL 10 best winner in this comparo. Picked above the GS 430, I don't think so. Fit and Finish better, I dont' think so. Exterior styling a 9, they must be blind. They have the GS and RL the identical "got to have it factor" score but lookiing around no one has got to have the RL. They also gave a 9 to the GS 8 for ergonomics, which is to me.The RL scored a big 6 points for price (of course, value) but the M45 a 17 tied with the STS. The M45 was 51k for a V-8, clearly the value winner.
I know your going to run cry about my comments on your Acura forum so go ahead. But IMO, I can understand the M45 winning this comparo, the RL 2nd=
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to me.The RL scored a big 6 points for price (of course, value) but the M45 a 17 tied with the STS. The M45 was 51k for a V-8, clearly the value winner. I know your going to run cry about my comments on your Acura forum so go ahead. But IMO, I can understand the M45 winning this comparo, the RL 2nd=
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03-23-05, 02:46 PM
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"I just noticed, C &D states they drove a pre-production GS? "
The M45 was a pre-production vehicle as well. This comparo must have been done a couple months ago.
The M45 was a pre-production vehicle as well. This comparo must have been done a couple months ago.
03-23-05, 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by jrock65
"I just noticed, C &D states they drove a pre-production GS? "
The M45 was a pre-production vehicle as well. This comparo must have been done a couple months ago.
The M45 was a pre-production vehicle as well. This comparo must have been done a couple months ago.