LiquidBlue

Because Infiniti did not offer an M35, just the M45. Lexus sells a good amount of GS300's, but very few GS430's. Look up the sales numbers for both for 2003 and 2004 and see for yourself.

spwolf

that was exactly his point - hp doesnt sell as much as people think... these are not boys cars

jwaters

I was just reading the book entitled "Lexus: The Relentless Pursuit" and if you all rembember, the Q45 and LS400 were launched around the same time. The Infiniti was roomier and more powerful, but due to terrible marketing/advertisements it failed to generate the sales numbers of Lexus. Infiniti is definitely headed in the right direction with its cars, but what about their marketing? I remember seeing one T.V. commercial about 3 weeks ago (they do seem to be putting quite a bit of ads in the major car mags though). As for the GS, I see a commercial for it every other time I turn on the television in addition to a simple print ad in most of the auto mags. Infiniti has a good product on it's hands, but I somehow feel they still haven't generated enough exposure to get the car in the hearts and minds of the average consumer, which is odd because Infiniti bragged about how much it was spending on marketing the new M35/45. Maybe a good chunk of that money was allocated for paying off car reviewers?
(Before the brigade from FreshAlloy comes in here to flame me, I WAS KIDDING!)

Gojirra99

I think I' ve heard a major push in the M's ad campaign is suppose to start April ?

Gojirra99

I think you also answer your own question of how you perceive Lexus having problems selling sedans compare with BMW & MB. They have been in the luxury market for much longer & have a MUCH wider range of sedan models & engine choices available for sale, & Lexus isn't actually far behind from BMW given their much more limited choices available for sale. Lexus will start introducing more sedan models & variations from now as you can see already . . .

flipside909

Well the matter of fact is, most of the M's sales will be now the M35. The 2nd gen GS has had a over extended production run of 7 years. Of course in the last 3 years of production, sales numbers have fallen from the previous 5 for the GS4 because of healthy competition, there's nothing wrong with that. Infiniti was smart to offer the M35 because they saw how sucessful the competition is with offering a variation. We will have to see who outsells who. There are more general buyers for this segment who want an overall package, not just a car that goes faster by 0.2 seconds in 0-60. We'll just have to wait and see who will be the sales king. There's no doubt in my mind Lexus will still outsell Infiniti as a whole.

flipside909

They can keep trying, i'm sure the clock will be the focus like usual.

LexFather

Please jump off a cliff. You dismiss Lexus for low sales of GS 430 in 2003 and 2004, they probably were just as good as the M45s which was a brand new model here and FAILED miserably.

Here are GS sales figures. Guess what, in 1998, when it debuted, 9,926 GS 400s were sold. So why not talk about that? Infinti would cream its pants if it had sold that many M45s. Maybe they will this year, lets hope so.

https://www.clublexus.com/forums/sho...ighlight=sales

See more facts and evidence, try using it sometime.
http://www.nissannews.com/corporate/...04102108.shtml

Seems when the M45 came out at a price LESS than the 1998 GS 400, it only sold 4,700 or so models in 2003 (its debut) and then only 2090 in 2004. I guess those 6-8k rebates off M45 MSRP didn't help that much

Facts, try using them

chicagoblknazn

I guess someone got put together.......he let you have it with the facts

LiquidBlue

Jump off a cliff?? That isn't very nice.. anyway... My point remains... that the sales numbers for both the GS430 and the M45 were similar in 2003 and 2004. Lexus sells TONS of GS300's, but not many 430's. That trend will not only continue with new GS300, but also with the new M35. The fact of the matter is, Infiniti did not off an M35 in 2003 and 2004. Who knows how well it would have sold if they had? It's all speculation.. but facts are facts: sales between the 2003 and 2004 M45 were close to the sales of the 2003 and 2004 GS430.

encore888

Isn't the GS 430 supposed to be the 'halo' car with sales accounting for a small fraction of the total GS class sales figure? GS 300 sales need to be considered. And, the fact that the GS 2nd gen has been around for so long without an update is a factor in recent sales.

Itsuki_23

Obviously LiquidBlue is Infiniti salesman or just has some other job at Infiniti.

AJL0365

i was on mercedes website and they are saying that the 2005, not 06 GS430 as a competitor to the E55AMG, thought it was incorrect, but wow! go ahead GS, even though it fall a tad short of a E55 (incredible car)

spwolf

and your point is? Who cares how many sales did M45 have in 2004? Does this have anything to do with this thread, or this forum in particular?

jrock65

"We'll just have to wait and see who will be the sales king."

We already know this. Lexus is producing about 33,000 GS per year, and Infiniti is producing about 24,000 M per year. Those numbers seem pretty realistic to me.

There's no doubt in my mind Lexus will still outsell Infiniti as a whole."

Well, we all know that there is 0 percent chance that Infiniti will outsell Lexus any time in the forseeable future.