LiquidBlue

About a year ago, Consumer reports (i believe) released a study on 3 or 4 year reliability. Infiniti ranked #1, Lexus ranked #2.

Rockville

but it is quite a stretch to gloat that they are some type of world beater. I'll give Carlos credit that with his Corporate slash and burn techniques he has brought Nissan back from the dead and they are getting back to the black. GM wishes that were true in their case. Anyway it is Infinitis task to establish themselves now after a very spotty past in sales. They should kiss Carlos' feet for what he has wrought. Lexus can wait as long as you like for you to catch up LB.

I wouldn't have picked Liquid Blue for a '95 LS400 either. That car is kind of boaty in retrospect. Not a bad powerplant (260 HP) and reliable as hell. It had a very aerodynamic body for its time also considering it was a derivitave of the previous generation "S" Class in shape. It's just a very mature car for Liquid Blue IMO. The car sort of floated on a cloud. It did kick butt on the Q45 of its time in sales and that trend continues today. The most recent Q45 came out with bulging muscles but had a little weight problem or something. We were all impressed by the gattling gun headlights and 345 HP. The LS430 with its measly 290 just dispatched it in any performance criteria. You would like the recent LS a lot more LB. It has the limited slip rear and a sequential six speed, 18's and high pressure gas shocks. The engine is bulletproof. It's not flabby anymore. The Q is another casualty of Carlos' reign. So be it. It was pretty ugly on the street. I'm glad they are getting their act together yet most of the Infiniti guys that were around during the lean years have left for greener pastures. They have a high turnover in Salespeople. But with all of LB's marketing savvy and product knowledge I'm sure they'll let him park his LS on their back lot. He's got computer skills so maybe he should just manage the Internet Dept.
Maybe in 20,25,30 years he'll work his way up to GM or replace Carlos himself one day......

flipside909

Well considering they've only been out one whole year. Give it a few years and you will see it will be on top with its parent company and luxury sibling. Are those the only poor excuses you can come up with? Nissan ranks way below industry average, and they've been in the game how long now? Thank you.

You believe? Sorry that doesn't count.

jrock65

CR's 2004 reliability survey.

Brand Problems per 100 vehicles

Subaru 8

Honda 9

Acura 10

Toyota 10

Hyundai 11

Infiniti 11

Lexus 11

Audi 12

Mini 13

Ford 15

Pontiac 15

Cadillac 16

Chevrolet 16

Chrysler 16

GMC 16

Jeep 16

Mazda 16

Saab 16

Dodge 17

Mercury 17

Volvo 17

Buick 18

Nissan 19

Saturn 19

BMW 21

Volkswagen 23

Mercedes-Benz 25

Lincoln 26

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According to CR, Infiniti is doing pretty well, but Nissan is not. Man, Hyundai is most impressive. What a turnaround. No one would have predicted that 5 years ago.

BMW and MB at the bottom, not a surprise. But Audi at the top, surprising.

I don't take CR as the gospel, so don't shoot the messenger. It is what it is.

flipside909

Not at all. Great find though.

Gojirra99

I think Lexus is really hurt in this 2004 survey by the new RX as a first year model which tend to have more problems even for Lexus, & they sell so many of them too . . .

Rockville

It describes their real experiences with these cars. I like that. It is a small statistical sampling but it is real world experience and can't be manipulated by the dealer or manufacturer very easily. Not only does Lexus survey their customers after service or sale. So does JD Power. Lexus now pays Gallup to survey the other manufacturers customers just for comparison sake. It is crunched down to weighted values that are proprietary to Gallup and interpreted. Gallup is able to measure the emotional involvement of the customer on a random basis and this is tabulated and compared to other survey methods to look for correlation and consistency. If someone leaves Lexus for another brand such as Infiniti then they are likely to get a survey to find out if it is a Lexus product issue or a Dealer issue that was at fault. It is all very scientific. All of the emotions we describe in this forum are measured and studied. It is no surprise that Lexus owners are the most engaged in the business. That's why we have the best forum and the "others" want to hang out here. Other wise they could go to Edmund's forum or something. What does the term "troll" mean? Is that like the little dolls that were popular when I was a child? Or does it refer to trolling the internet? Just curious.

flipside909

O/T but here's a great definition:

Credit: http://members.aol.com/intwg/trolls.htm

DaveGS4

iTrader: (2)

Guys lets keep this thread on topic and steer it back to a factual discussion. No more calling people 'ignorant' or asking what they are smoking.

If you can't participate in the thread without making it personal, then simply do not push the 'post reply' button please.

LiquidBlue

No, i know for a fact that it did. I can do a search for it if you would like. It was big news at the time in the "car chat" forum.

LiquidBlue

Well, i can tell you first hand that the reliability of my LS hasn't been the greatest. It's not a bad car at all. But the handling is just really bad. My 87 Maxima handled 100 times better than this boat. I do like the leather seats though. IMO, they are the best leather of any car and of any Lexus for that matter. They don't crack and they are as durable as anything. Can't say the same for the 1990-1994 LS or the 98+ years LS though, where cracking and tearing are a bit of a problem.
I don't think i would like the new LS either, because I don't like the exterior at all, and i think the interior is seriously outdated. The interior is basically just a built up version of my 95, imo.