flipside909

Lexus passenger cars posted strong May sales with 12,641 units, an increase of 7.3 percent. Sales momentum continued following the late February launch of the all-new 2006 GS 300 and GS 430 luxury performance sedans. The GS 300 had sales of 2,503, an increase of 304.1 percent, while the GS 430 posted sales of 638, an increase of 367 percent.

Lexus Division light trucks produced best-ever May sales with 13,814 units, up 11.7 percent. The 2006 RX 400h, launched in April as the world's first luxury hybrid vehicle, reported sales of 2,931 units for the month. The RX 330 luxury SUV on which the RX 400h is based, enjoyed combined May sales of 10,707 units, an increase of 20.1 percent.

Sales of North American-built vehicles accounted for 63.5 percent of total May sales. There were 24 selling days this sales month compared to 26 last May.

Credit: Toyota Motor Sales USA

flipside909

These numbers don't lie!

https://www.clublexus.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=165239

flipside909

Sales numbers show:
GS300 2,503 > M45 (claimed) 2,170
GS430+GS300 = 3,141 > M45 (claimed) 2,170

Why can't Nissan seperate the M and the FX numbers? Shady.
(edit: For those who don't understand, Nissan does not seperate M35 and M45 numbers as well as FX35 from FX45 numbers. I put the FX numbers in the list to satisfy those select few.)

jrock65

Actually, what's "shadier" is Toyota including Solara and Solara convertible as "Camry" sales.. Totally separate body styles.

Those GS and M numbers haven't really changed since intro. The GS continues to sell 3000+ and the M 2000+.

The only real change in this segment is the STS overtaking the GS for the third spot.

flipside909

Not really, that's a smart marketing move and they do share the same chassis so they are the same vehicle just one in coupe form and one in sedan form, it's nothing new, Toyota has been doing it for years. Remember the Corolla/Tercel, Celica/Supra, just to name a few. We already know you dislike the Camry Solara. I have a Solara but in Gen 1 MCV20 format. It's registered here in the State of CA as a Camry just like it shows on my insurance policy.

Shady is hiding numbers from the public in the case that Nissan clearly can't seperate the FX and the M numbers from the 35 and 45 models. Don't confuse smart marketing w/shady marketing.

lexuslover

so that 2,170 for "M45" is actually for both M35 + M45 + FX?

either way, infiniti must be pretty happy about the change from last year! the previous M was a joke.

flipside909

Just M45 and M35 is what we're assuming at this point. Nissan isn't very clear in what they're projecting. But yes, a big leap over the first gen M45 flop from last year.

jrock65

Incredible. So when Toyota refuses to give Camry/Solara numbers to the public it is "smart marketing", but when Nissan doesn't separate M35/45 numbers it is "shady marketing".

I know that this is a Lexus forum, but geez. ...

The M35/45 is the same car except with different engines. Almost all manufacturers, INCLUDING Toyota, refuse to give separate sales breakdowns for the same model with different engines. Toyota doesn't separate sales figures for the Camry I4 and Camry V6, or the 4Runner V6 and 4Runner V8. Same with Honda, Mercedes, GM, Ford, and countless others.

So when Nissan does it it's "shady", but when Toyota does it it's fine and dandy and a "smart" marketing move, right?

flipside909

As they should be ahead w/those numbers. A good number of those sales go to Enterprise Rent-A-Car and other rental agencies to add to their rental fleet.

http://www.gm.com/cgi-bin/pr_display.pl?6083

encore888

I read the other day that officially, the Solara is the 'Toyota Camry Solara,' which makes it acceptable to combine that with the Camry class, as it is the coupe version of the Camry. A more detailed breakdown would be helpful, but it's not as if Toyota needs to pump up the Camry numbers, its the #1 car in the US already! Combining those numbers...is expedient.

Camry Solara: http://www.toyota.com/solara/?s_van=

Solara built off Camry platform: http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2...26/263715.html

Meanwhile, EXCELLENT job for the new GS!

Xenthar

How is nissan being shady and not toyota. The solara and camry are two totally different cars. Who cares if they are on the same chassis. You saying "Smart marketing" = stupid. Just shows how biased you really are

Xenthar

Sales numbers are good so far. Like jrock said, the numbers havent changed much since introduction. Its understandable for the GS to be ahead of the M since it has been a key player in this segment for longer than the M. The M is only a competitor now. I would however expect the GS to be ahead of Cadillac

jrock65

I know that it is officially the Toyota Camry Solara, and that's fine. I don't totally dislike the car, because even though I think it is ugly on the outside, it is beautiful on the inside, and inside matters more to me.

I just don't see why it is "shady" for Nissan to not disclose separate M V6 and V8 numbers, when every other manufacturer, including Toyota, is doing the same exact thing with various models.

What is this nonsense about combining M and FX sales?

http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2...01/110794.html

"INFINITI HIGHLIGHTS

-- Sales for Infiniti were up 7.7 percent from last May with 11,079 units sold

-- The M continues its strong sales momentum with 2,170 units sold

-- Calendar year-to-date sales are up 6.1 percent with 54,801 units sold"

The FX sold 2,365.

encore888

^^
I got it now, the FX numbers are separate, but it has to do with the FX engine in the M35 I guess. Well just goes to show that Nissan refused to show the M35/M45 breakdown, that's all, while Lexus was willing to show the GS300/GS430 breakdown. Why? One can speculate on motive...I'm guessing that M45 sales are not stellar...

...but for Toyota to combine numbers on the #1 selling car in the US, its not likely that they needed the Solara numbers to pump up anything.

jrock65

There's no "motive". It's just the way the manufacturers report.

BMW likes to really break down figures, giving separate figures for coupes, convertibles, wagons, AWD, engine sizes, and M performance division.

Meanwhile, Mercedes never separates the figures, and all E320, E500, 4Matic, wagon, and E55 are simply lumped in as "E-class". Same with Audi. All A6 variant sales are simply lumped into "A6" sales.

Toyota gives separate numbers for the GS300/430, yes. But they don't give separate numbers for the Camry I4 and the V6, or separate numbers for the 4Runner V6 and V8. Does it mean that the Camry V6 and 4 Runner V8 sales suck? No.... it's just the way they report.