OFFICIAL 2008 GS 460 Thread! (new info 342hp?)
08-31-07, 09:26 AM
#586
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That would do NOTHING to change what they've decided already though . . .
08-31-07, 09:29 AM
#587
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08-31-07, 10:44 AM
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08-31-07, 11:05 AM
#591
I hope it isn't 342hp...not much of a difference compared to the GS450h...although the Torque is a lot higher...heh...well hopefully they manage to bring the hp and torque up to LS460 specs. as of right now I just switched my deposit to an IS-F...haha...but still gonna wait to see if the GS460 is going to have different specs from what was mentioned on toyotas press release...
08-31-07, 11:15 AM
#592
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I'm pretty sure the torque is higher on the GS450h. Even though Lexus never publicized the total system torque of the hybrid drivetrain, the electric motors are known for massive torque just like diesel. The only reason why the GS450h may be slower than the GS460 is the much heavier weight.
08-31-07, 11:49 AM
#593
Is there a compelling reason (based on performance numbers) to choose a '08 GS350 vs a GS460? I even think if hp was up to 380 for the GS460, the cars structure would allow for little gain in performance from 342 hp. If you're driving on the track, that's a different issue. But even for those who have aggressive tendencies now and then,...I'll take the GS350 (better bang for the buck).
08-31-07, 12:27 PM
#594
What do you all think ??
I think that Lexus shot itself in the foot with releasing a 300hp GS350 as its base GS car in 07. What they needed was a slightly stronger 3gs in 06. The base MB e350 has 268 hp, the e320 has 210, the e550 has 382hp. The base BMW 528 has 230 horses, the 535 has 300 hp, and the 550 has 360 hp. What Lexus needed was a 265-275 hp V6 GS and a V8 GS with hp 330-380 range… the difference between a 300 hp engine and a 342 hp engine just does not seem like a lot. They could have easily made a gs330 with a 265-275 hp output and everyone would be happy with a GS putting out 342 horses. The v6 and v8 versions of the cars need to have substancial difference for them to each be competitive. They should have made the GS350 have the Es 270 hp engine. I mean how dumb was it to have a gs350 and gs430 with almost identical stats for 2007. I bet Lexus sold a higher ratio of gs430s to gs300 in 2005 and early 2006 than gs460 will ever sell in this cycle.
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08-31-07, 12:33 PM
#595
Is there a compelling reason (based on performance numbers) to choose a '08 GS350 vs a GS460? I even think if hp was up to 380 for the GS460, the cars structure would allow for little gain in performance from 342 hp. If you're driving on the track, that's a different issue. But even for those who have aggressive tendencies now and then,...I'll take the GS350 (better bang for the buck).
08-31-07, 12:37 PM
#596
I think that Lexus shot itself in the foot with releasing a 300hp GS350 as its base GS car in 07. What they needed was a slightly stronger 3gs in 06. The base MB e350 has 268 hp, the e320 has 210, the e550 has 382hp. The base BMW 528 has 230 horses, the 535 has 300 hp, and the 550 has 360 hp. What Lexus needed was a 265-275 hp V6 GS and a V8 GS with hp 330-380 range…We are all expecting the GS460 to be a monster which it is not going to be, and the difference between a 300 hp engine and a 342 hp engine just mentally does not seem like a lot. If they did a GS460 with 380 horses, will there be room for a GSF or GS500?? They could have easily made a gs330 with a 265-275 hp output and everyone would be happy with a GS putting out 342 horses. The v6 and v8 versions of the cars need to have substancial difference for them to each be competitive. They should have made the GS350 have the Es 270 hp engine.
regarding the gs350, why not get above all the competitors and leave a margin, if lexus is capable of doing so? now the gs350 seems to be a much better buy over the e and the 5 power wise, that's good. give people one less reason to consider others.
if the gs460 really has 380hp, that's good coz' it competes very well with teh e500 and the 550. gs-f? the is-f engine will probably be around 430 hp, that's still a great margin from 380hp. and who knows they might have another engine for the gs-f (if they come out with one) anyway. remember, the lf-a v10 is coming
08-31-07, 12:49 PM
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I'm pretty sure the torque is higher on the GS450h. Even though Lexus never publicized the total system torque of the hybrid drivetrain, the electric motors are known for massive torque just like diesel. The only reason why the GS450h may be slower than the GS460 is the much heavier weight.
08-31-07, 08:10 PM
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I think that Lexus shot itself in the foot with releasing a 300hp GS350 as its base GS car in 07. What they needed was a slightly stronger 3gs in 06. The base MB e350 has 268 hp, the e320 has 210, the e550 has 382hp. The base BMW 528 has 230 horses, the 535 has 300 hp, and the 550 has 360 hp. What Lexus needed was a 265-275 hp V6 GS and a V8 GS with hp 330-380 range… the difference between a 300 hp engine and a 342 hp engine just does not seem like a lot. They could have easily made a gs330 with a 265-275 hp output and everyone would be happy with a GS putting out 342 horses. The v6 and v8 versions of the cars need to have substancial difference for them to each be competitive. They should have made the GS350 have the Es 270 hp engine. I mean how dumb was it to have a gs350 and gs430 with almost identical stats for 2007. I bet Lexus sold a higher ratio of gs430s to gs300 in 2005 and early 2006 than gs460 will ever sell in this cycle.
Owners who choose the V8 over the 6 cylinder obviously look for POWER. I'm not sure what Lexus is thinking.
08-31-07, 09:14 PM
#599
The GS350 was a much needed power boost from the weakling GS300. Lexus didn't really have a choice given the competition in the segment. It's about "excess" in the luxury market.
Owners who choose the V8 over the 6 cylinder obviously look for POWER. I'm not sure what Lexus is thinking.
Owners who choose the V8 over the 6 cylinder obviously look for POWER. I'm not sure what Lexus is thinking.
What competition are you talking about...In 06 what was the hp of the direct competition ?? What I am saying is that the 06 gs300 should have been released with just another 20-30 horses. But by any means was not underpowered IMO, I think its 0-60 is 6.7. What I am saying is if the gs460 will in fact boost 342 horses, the weaker V6 should be like 270ish range to make enough of a difference. Lets just hope for the 380 hp we have been anticipating !!!
08-31-07, 10:17 PM
#600
The GS350 was a much needed power boost from the weakling GS300. Lexus didn't really have a choice given the competition in the segment. It's about "excess" in the luxury market.
Owners who choose the V8 over the 6 cylinder obviously look for POWER. I'm not sure what Lexus is thinking.
Owners who choose the V8 over the 6 cylinder obviously look for POWER. I'm not sure what Lexus is thinking.
I find that the 380HP engine will become more of a "bragging rights" than practical daily usage, if one is looking for a weekend driving on the mountain fun car, they wouldn't be looking at Lexus for that purpose anyway. IMHO of course, hope this doesn't offend anyone.