2009 Lexus announced - one model so far
02-15-08, 10:35 AM
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I have heard the new 4GS is to be released in 2011 as a 2012, but then again, the 2009 RX was supposed to be the new style. Moolman is right, the market dictates when the new style comes out, as it is pointless to retool the factory if the current model is still selling.
As for a Crooked H Genesis competing with the Lexus, who, now be honest, would trade in their Lexus for a Hyundai, no matter the specs, features, etc?
The world would assume you lost your job, not that you went with another theoretically better product. And for the record, I think it is a nice car, but I am sure everyone here bought the GS for the package deal and the L shaped Bow on the front and rear makes a BIG diffrence!
As for a Crooked H Genesis competing with the Lexus, who, now be honest, would trade in their Lexus for a Hyundai, no matter the specs, features, etc?
The world would assume you lost your job, not that you went with another theoretically better product. And for the record, I think it is a nice car, but I am sure everyone here bought the GS for the package deal and the L shaped Bow on the front and rear makes a BIG diffrence!
02-15-08, 10:40 AM
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He is stating that Hyundai will top as one of the fastest growing auto maker and the amount of money they've poured in on designs of the car is staggering.
but still.. a Hyundai is a Hyundai.
02-15-08, 10:47 AM
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If you want to drink this Kool aid, be my guest. Hyundai & Kia will always be a niche vehicle and nothing more. They should be concerned with China or India producing low priced 'disposable' vehicles that take away their market share. I'm sure that Toyota & Honda have nothing to fear from Hyundai, but Detroit may be a different story...
02-15-08, 11:19 AM
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Hyundai still have a long way to go. Toyota put more money into R&D than what Hyundai made in total profit last year. IMO, Hyundai needs to start a luxury division in order for poeple to take them seriously.
02-15-08, 11:31 AM
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LOL - someone here is a stock holder of Hyundai motors.
If you want to drink this Kool aid, be my guest. Hyundai & Kia will always be a niche vehicle and nothing more. They should be concerned with China or India producing low priced 'disposable' vehicles that take away their market share. I'm sure that Toyota & Honda have nothing to fear from Hyundai, but Detroit may be a different story...
If you want to drink this Kool aid, be my guest. Hyundai & Kia will always be a niche vehicle and nothing more. They should be concerned with China or India producing low priced 'disposable' vehicles that take away their market share. I'm sure that Toyota & Honda have nothing to fear from Hyundai, but Detroit may be a different story...
02-15-08, 11:34 AM
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Hyundai has a luxury division called Equus, sold only in Korea. Give them another 10 years for it to come to the states, right now they probably plan on selling better cars like the Genesis as a Hyundai, after awhile people eventually think more highly of Hyundai and forget the crappy stuff in the beginning, just like Toyota and Honda. And Bam.. they open up a couple of Equus dealerships.
02-15-08, 11:59 AM
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The Hyundai Genesis seems to be incredible, 6 speed, RWD, 380+ HP from a V-8. It also looks great inside and out.
Lets see here
Acura has none of the above
It outpowers and has a better tranny than any Infiniti
It outpowers Lincoln
It outpowers Volvo
It outpowers the GS 460/ES/IS
It outpowers the 550
I can't wait to drive it honestly....
Lets see here
Acura has none of the above
It outpowers and has a better tranny than any Infiniti
It outpowers Lincoln
It outpowers Volvo
It outpowers the GS 460/ES/IS
It outpowers the 550
I can't wait to drive it honestly....
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02-15-08, 12:07 PM
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It is not to say that the Hyundai Genesis is not a nice car, I agree that it is a techno marvel in several aspects, but in my field and in the world, Brand recongition is what I protect and fight for and unfortunately, the Hyundai brand is not there yet, and nobody has heard of Equus.
Agreed that time will tell, but currently, at least for the next 5-10 years. There are plenty of people who will pass over the Genesis or other Hyundai lines because of the company.
Point in Case, the Nissan GT-R, I cannot wait to drive/maybe buy one, but I will show you just as many people who could care less and that is with the cult following the Skyline name carries. And Nissan has been around for decades.
The Pontiac GTO, fastest car under 30K you could buy, now discontinued because nobody cared for the Pontiac, although styling was also not my preference.
For that matter, the Hyundai Azera, faster than a 528, more room than a 750, and priced like an accord, but sales are below what Hyundai expected.
Agreed that time will tell, but currently, at least for the next 5-10 years. There are plenty of people who will pass over the Genesis or other Hyundai lines because of the company.
Point in Case, the Nissan GT-R, I cannot wait to drive/maybe buy one, but I will show you just as many people who could care less and that is with the cult following the Skyline name carries. And Nissan has been around for decades.
The Pontiac GTO, fastest car under 30K you could buy, now discontinued because nobody cared for the Pontiac, although styling was also not my preference.
For that matter, the Hyundai Azera, faster than a 528, more room than a 750, and priced like an accord, but sales are below what Hyundai expected.
02-15-08, 12:10 PM
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It is not to say that the Hyundai Genesis is not a nice car, I agree that it is a techno marvel in several aspects, but in my field and in the world, Brand recongition is what I protect and fight for and unfortunately, the Hyundai brand is not there yet, and nobody has heard of Equus.
Agreed that time will tell, but currently, at least for the next 5-10 years. There are plenty of people who will pass over the Genesis or other Hyundai lines because of the company.
Point in Case, the Nissan GT-R, I cannot wait to drive/maybe buy one, but I will show you just as many people who could care less and that is with the cult following the Skyline name carries. And Nissan has been around for decades.
The Pontiac GTO, fastest car under 30K you could buy, now discontinued because nobody cared for the Pontiac, although styling was also not my preference.
For that matter, the Hyundai Azera, faster than a 528, more room than a 750, and priced like an accord, but sales are below what Hyundai expected.
Agreed that time will tell, but currently, at least for the next 5-10 years. There are plenty of people who will pass over the Genesis or other Hyundai lines because of the company.
Point in Case, the Nissan GT-R, I cannot wait to drive/maybe buy one, but I will show you just as many people who could care less and that is with the cult following the Skyline name carries. And Nissan has been around for decades.
The Pontiac GTO, fastest car under 30K you could buy, now discontinued because nobody cared for the Pontiac, although styling was also not my preference.
For that matter, the Hyundai Azera, faster than a 528, more room than a 750, and priced like an accord, but sales are below what Hyundai expected.
Great post.
02-15-08, 12:22 PM
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There is more to a car than just numbers. Lexus spends millions on its name, just the dealership experience alone is worth buying a Lexus for. I been to a couple of Hyundai dealers in my area and they are no better than my local Ford dealer.
02-15-08, 12:56 PM
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In my opinion, i dont go by the name but the product.. if its a nice product and works ill buy it. the genesis is going to be an incredible car and for the price its unbeatable. my .02
a pic of comparison....it honestly looks like it can compete with big rollers
and the genesis
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in my opinion the gensis sorta resembles the M35/45 from infiniti
yall be the judge
a pic of comparison....it honestly looks like it can compete with big rollers
and the genesis
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in my opinion the gensis sorta resembles the M35/45 from infiniti
yall be the judge
Right, you wont, thats my point.
02-15-08, 02:31 PM
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If you want to drink this Kool aid, be my guest. Hyundai & Kia will always be a niche vehicle and nothing more. They should be concerned with China or India producing low priced 'disposable' vehicles that take away their market share. I'm sure that Toyota & Honda have nothing to fear from Hyundai, but Detroit may be a different story...
