flipside909

That's why I went with the ML, it's a lot more detailed and crispy in sound.

orbital817

I mainly want it LOUDER. The ML system didn't do it for me either and that's why I didn't fork over the extra money for it. The system needs for oomphhh

MassGS

The repeated twin complaints with the ML seem to be the heavy center channel bias and, more importantly, the feeling that there just isn't as much volume/punch as we have the right to expect from 300+ watts.

On the first issue, I was fading to the back and have also followed the advice here to turn surround off and decrease the midrange, which helped a lot.

On the latter issue, I haven't seen any discussion of an aftermarket solution such as a booster amp? Maybe, given the integrated nature of the ML components (if you believe their joint web site with Lexus) it just isn't feasible, and it sure seems nuts after you already ponied up an extra $1600. I love the sound quality, but it does alarm me when I turn it up loud, but not crazy loud, and realize the volume is nearly maxed.

The G Man

Come on people, its a Mark Levison system, its not a ghetto blaster. If you want loud, go buy a JBL, that POS is nothing but noise.

orbital817

You can have quality AND volume. A good quality sound system would have both, and the Lexus sound system is definitely not there in terms of a good sound system. No one is talking about a "ghetto blaster", but one should expect a better sounding system from Lexus especially when other high end auto makers offer a MUCH MUCH MUCH better system in their vehicles.

The G Man

I disagree, I think the Mark Levinson system is one of the best sounding factory system I have ever heard, especially in the LS and the LX. I cannot think of any car in this price range that has a better sound system. The RL and the Infinity comes close, but the ML is still better.

orbital817

I guess we can agree on one thing though......and that's disagreement. lol Everyone has a different perspective on what's good and not. Cheers

The G Man

Yeah, audio system are like cars, everyone have different opinions. I agree that Lexus should have design the ML in the GS to sound at least as good as the ML in GX, they are both in the same price range. It was very hard for me to justified spending an additional 2000 bucks for a system that only sounds a little better than the stock audio system.

weilunc5

I wonder which auto maker you are referring to as offering a "MUCH MUCH MUCH better system".

whlkev

Bang & Olufsen from audi to start

The G Man

Audi does have a nice audio system.

weilunc5

sampled quite a few B&O Beo series, yeah they make nice looking ones, probably loud enough, too.

checked audi's website and here is the B&O option for
A8: $6300, 1100W,
A5: $850, 500W ,
didn't see GS comparable A6 with that option.
(guess one should get an audi if loudness is a decisive factor...)


While haven't quite seen any B&O systems being approved in the audiophile community, I am really more interested in hearing someone elaborate on which system is a "MUCH MUCH MUCH better system".

rominl

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every brand has good and bad systems, it depends on how you compare. to be frank if one takes the ML system on the GS as reference, that's a poor choice. might as well get the RX while at it

get the ls460 or lx570 reference system and we will see who's the winner. there was an article recently by audio guru and they rated the ls460 system very high

just like bose, their systems say on acura are horrible at best, but if you are going to spend 10k on a bose system, i am pretty sure it sounds decent

The G Man

As far as clearity, the ML system in the LS or the LX is the best. The Audi system has power, and sounds better when turn up loud, but the ML in the LS and the LX sounds better at normal volume. I dont think the Audi system is way way way better. Its better loud but not as good for everyday listening.

rbarker

You are absolutely correct! My home "stereo" is only 100 watts total but it will fill the entire house with crisp, clear full spectrum sound at levels dangerous to your hearing. Of course, it's about $12K worth of gear but the point is that power output doesn't really tell the whole story. My favorite story is having a friend over who liked her music "loud" and having her turn to me to ask me to turn it up, only to find that she had to scream at the top of her lungs to be heard. Without the distortion she was accustomed to she had no way to guage how loud the music really was.