GS vs 5 vs E
05-06-09, 11:24 AM
#16
The GS started to be sold in Feb 2005. It is May 2009 and the new E is debuting. I would HOPE a brand new car (regarded as some as the class standard) has MORE tech, it is SUPPOSED to have more tech. From reading specs, the available tech on the new E is pretty cool to say the least 
The E and 5 in their best years sell around 50,000-60,000 cars a year whereas the GS best sales years are around 30,000 a year. The GS will never sell like them as its sales goals are a lot lower. So enough with the "sells like a RL" comment.
I can tell you one small thing
the GS has that no one else has and one small thing the GS brought that was a worlds first. A RWD hybrid system Some regard it (along with the LS and RX) among the most technologically advanced cars in the world.
The E and 5 in their best years sell around 50,000-60,000 cars a year whereas the GS best sales years are around 30,000 a year. The GS will never sell like them as its sales goals are a lot lower. So enough with the "sells like a RL" comment.
I can tell you one small thing
the GS has that no one else has and one small thing the GS brought that was a worlds first. A RWD hybrid system Some regard it (along with the LS and RX) among the most technologically advanced cars in the world.Anyways, so if I drive a Prius in reverse... Would it be a RWD hybrid?
05-06-09, 11:49 AM
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First year RL goal was 20k. they sold 17k and sales plummeted every year/month since. If you look at its goals, its best months were Nov-Jan the 3 months BEFORE the new GS and M35/45 debuted. As of now from my understanding production is pretty much stopped as it sells even worse in Europe. I have no idea what sales goals are but its been a complete flop of a car since they changed it from the "Legend' to the "RL back in 1996.
05-06-09, 12:45 PM
#20
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I thought Volvo and Infiniti had the lane departure warning thing awhile ago. I know Volvo also has the blind spot thing and the emergency automatic braking thing. Cadillac had night vision and head-up display years ago. Not sure about the climate control thing but the last gen RL had a smart climate control that would change output based on the location of the sun. As for automatic headlamp, this isn't as sophisticated but I know some of the domestic vehicles (i.e. Jeep) have automatic high beam when no oncoming traffic is detected. It sounds to me like MB has probably made all these features fancier but I am not sure on the innovation...
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that's the other thing. if all that tech isn't new, lexus should've included them years ago.
only now, finally, lexus has put in the headsup on the new RX.
it would've been cool if lexus put in more tech in the GS. It feels kinda stripped.
Then again, it could also be a huge headache, as GS gizmos fail as frequently as german gizmos.
only the central computer seems to be more reliable in jap cars.
05-06-09, 12:53 PM
#21
executive matchup
that's the other thing. if all that tech isn't new, lexus should've included them years ago.
only now, finally, lexus has put in the headsup on the new RX.
it would've been cool if lexus put in more tech in the GS. It feels kinda stripped.
Then again, it could also be a huge headache, as GS gizmos fail as frequently as german gizmos.
only the central computer seems to be more reliable in jap cars.
only now, finally, lexus has put in the headsup on the new RX.
it would've been cool if lexus put in more tech in the GS. It feels kinda stripped.
Then again, it could also be a huge headache, as GS gizmos fail as frequently as german gizmos.
only the central computer seems to be more reliable in jap cars.
as for GS gizmos failing as frequently as german gizmos, which gizmos are you referring to?
05-06-09, 01:31 PM
#22
being a member of generation benz, i just had a session today with mb people on the new e. some of the new features are:
The first of the new features is called LANE KEEPING ASSIST. Lane Keeping Assist is a system intended to prevent accidents caused by lane departure. The system warns the driver by creating a steering wheel vibration.
Next is ATTENTION ASSIST. Attention Assist is intended to prevent accidents due to driver fatigue. If drowsiness is detected, the driver is alerted via both a display in the instrument cluster, and an acoustic signal.
Adaptive High Beam Assist, it senses the surrounding and cars in front, and use the high beam to increase the lighting coverage area more than what the low beams can do
Blind Spot Assist, alerts the driver of other cars at their blind spots
The first of the new features is called LANE KEEPING ASSIST. Lane Keeping Assist is a system intended to prevent accidents caused by lane departure. The system warns the driver by creating a steering wheel vibration.
Next is ATTENTION ASSIST. Attention Assist is intended to prevent accidents due to driver fatigue. If drowsiness is detected, the driver is alerted via both a display in the instrument cluster, and an acoustic signal.
Adaptive High Beam Assist, it senses the surrounding and cars in front, and use the high beam to increase the lighting coverage area more than what the low beams can do
Blind Spot Assist, alerts the driver of other cars at their blind spots
05-06-09, 01:33 PM
#23
All that wonderful technology on the new Benz looks great on paper. It is all good as long as it works, but if often doesn't. The engine will run forever, but the electronics will keep your Benz in the shop, while you will be driving a rental Malibu provided by the dealer, because they are out of loaner Benzes.
I went through 3 Benzes this is exactly why I landed in the Lexusland: reliability. So, my Lexus doesn't have the lane-departure warning and few other toys, but on the other hand I don't even know what my service advisor looks like. Try it with a Mercedes. There, they will be your friends on a first-name basis, because you will see them very often.
I went through 3 Benzes this is exactly why I landed in the Lexusland: reliability. So, my Lexus doesn't have the lane-departure warning and few other toys, but on the other hand I don't even know what my service advisor looks like. Try it with a Mercedes. There, they will be your friends on a first-name basis, because you will see them very often.
05-06-09, 02:48 PM
#24
that's the other thing. if all that tech isn't new, lexus should've included them years ago.
only now, finally, lexus has put in the headsup on the new RX.
it would've been cool if lexus put in more tech in the GS. It feels kinda stripped.
Then again, it could also be a huge headache, as GS gizmos fail as frequently as german gizmos.
only the central computer seems to be more reliable in jap cars.
only now, finally, lexus has put in the headsup on the new RX.
it would've been cool if lexus put in more tech in the GS. It feels kinda stripped.
Then again, it could also be a huge headache, as GS gizmos fail as frequently as german gizmos.
only the central computer seems to be more reliable in jap cars.
I wouldn't have gotten rid of my two previous MBs if the "extra" functions they included work. I would have preferred to drive a car with less things that all work vs. many extras that would break down.
In addition, we're talking Lexus, a car maker that still has tape deck in their vehicles...
I don't know about you guys, but I am kind just waiting for the day that the rear sunshade stops working lol...
05-06-09, 03:22 PM
#25
executive matchup
and i've read quite a few people who buy MB and BMW, they all plan on getting rid of their cars once the factory warranty is over (unless they have extended warranty). imho, that speaks volumes about a car's long term reliability.
05-06-09, 03:32 PM
#26
Do we need all the new techs though? One of the reasons Chrysler failed is because for the past few years, they have been focusing on the gadgets instead of the fundamentals (heated/cooled cup holders, storage boxes on the rail of the truck bed, refrigerated glove compartment, etc.) . You have to get your foundation strong and then you can think about add-ons.
I wouldn't have gotten rid of my two previous MBs if the "extra" functions they included work. I would have preferred to drive a car with less things that all work vs. many extras that would break down.
In addition, we're talking Lexus, a car maker that still has tape deck in their vehicles...
I don't know about you guys, but I am kind just waiting for the day that the rear sunshade stops working lol...
I wouldn't have gotten rid of my two previous MBs if the "extra" functions they included work. I would have preferred to drive a car with less things that all work vs. many extras that would break down.
In addition, we're talking Lexus, a car maker that still has tape deck in their vehicles...
I don't know about you guys, but I am kind just waiting for the day that the rear sunshade stops working lol...
on the new e class, the blind spot assist is the only cool thing i would use. the others i don't really care about much neither.
05-07-09, 05:22 AM
#27
Lexus Test Driver
The IS-F has been out for 2 years and its far from game over for the BMW 3 series.
05-07-09, 05:36 AM
#28
Lexus Test Driver
The new E is suppose to have an active suspension, I am not sure if its standard or not. It is suppose to be the best ride and handling combination in its class. The current E-class doesnt handle too well, about the same as the GS350 but the E-class had a better ride. The thing I didnt like about the 08 E-class was that it didnt have a center arm rest and the handling was on the poor side unless you get the sport package. The 5 series is all about handling, the interior is cold and uninviting. the worst interior in its class IMO. The tech on both cars is not as good as the GS, but thats to be expected. Japanese cars always have better toys and the German has better driving dynamics and builts a more solid car overall.
05-07-09, 08:00 AM
#29
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I didn't purchase the GS because it didn't look all that great unless it was in white and it just didn't grab enough attention compare to my previous Benz. But I found the interior nice.
Even my neighbor sold his after 3 months b/c he felt the car just didn’t do it for him. Mine you this guy went from a CLS to a GS to a 645ci in less than a year.
I didn't purchase the 5 series because everybody and their mother have a 525 plus I hate the interior.
I didn't purchase the E because my father has one and everybody around here has an E320 or E350. I do find the exterior classy.
In the end I went with the CLS b/c I felt it looks better than all 3 cars. From the attention I get some people feel the CLS cost more than the CL. weird
I don't find the interior in my car all that great. But I feel the car handles pretty well. I kind regret my purchase a little bit because I miss all the features my CL had. A lot people say that don’t care about features well I do. I was pissed when I found out the CLS didn’t have the automatic close door feature.
Even my neighbor sold his after 3 months b/c he felt the car just didn’t do it for him. Mine you this guy went from a CLS to a GS to a 645ci in less than a year.
I didn't purchase the 5 series because everybody and their mother have a 525 plus I hate the interior.
I didn't purchase the E because my father has one and everybody around here has an E320 or E350. I do find the exterior classy.
In the end I went with the CLS b/c I felt it looks better than all 3 cars. From the attention I get some people feel the CLS cost more than the CL. weird
I don't find the interior in my car all that great. But I feel the car handles pretty well. I kind regret my purchase a little bit because I miss all the features my CL had. A lot people say that don’t care about features well I do. I was pissed when I found out the CLS didn’t have the automatic close door feature.
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05-07-09, 08:37 AM
#30
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