4TH Generation GS coming...
12-02-09, 06:39 PM
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12-02-09, 08:11 PM
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The LFA is second to nobody at what it does. It was designed to be the most driveable ultra-high performance sports car, and the reviews suggest that it is exactly that. Many of the journalists who drove the LFA viewed it as an car as distinctive in its driving experience as the McLaren F1 and the Bugatti Veyron.
I hope the GSF brings that distinctiveness of driveability and control to very high performance sports sedans. That in this regard it exceeds a BMW M5 or Benz E63.
I hope the GSF brings that distinctiveness of driveability and control to very high performance sports sedans. That in this regard it exceeds a BMW M5 or Benz E63.
12-02-09, 09:33 PM
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i don't agree with those who thinks the isf is a complete loss against m3 or c63 as well. yeah, the m3 outperforms on the track overall, but there are quite a few other stuff about the isf that makes it a pretty neat car. i think of it as a good blend of performance, speed, and luxury. i will say it's not my cup of tea, but at the same time i can see it being a great option for a lot of people
same thing for the gsf (if they make one)
same thing for the gsf (if they make one)
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12-03-09, 12:03 PM
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lol, seems I posted in CarChat and now the 3GS forum on what I know...well I got a little info on the 4GS but Lexus of course is very mum. Dealers have seen the car already and the word thrown around is "beautiful" by people who have seen it. Couldn't get much more info though (yes its bigger). 
They told me they were happy with the current model and felt a lot of people just didn't know about it, so I am expecting better marketing like the 2GS (3GS ads really are pretty forgettable outside the figure 8 one). No word on a GS-F. 
The M37/56 is really a Nissan Fuga, thus it has to keep the same 5 year short cycle of Nissan's and like non luxury brands/cars. The GS has always had a longer life cycle like BMW, Benz etc. Most luxury car buyers do not want the car to change constantly.
I much prefer the GS soldier on and keep the cycle of a luxury car/brand and let Nissan/Infiniti do what they think works best for them. I think with the new E-class, the new 5 series and the market still slow, they have their work cut out for them, even though we all know its going to be a very good product.
The GS coming later might just coincide with a better economy.
The real loser here is the RL, as it continues with basically no changes outside a beak and it always has been a poor seller. In the span of the RL, Infiniti has a M35 and x/M45, then added a M45x. Now they will have a M37, M56 and M37 hybrid along with x models. They also offer a sport package.
They told me they were happy with the current model and felt a lot of people just didn't know about it, so I am expecting better marketing like the 2GS (3GS ads really are pretty forgettable outside the figure 8 one). No word on a GS-F. I much prefer the GS soldier on and keep the cycle of a luxury car/brand and let Nissan/Infiniti do what they think works best for them. I think with the new E-class, the new 5 series and the market still slow, they have their work cut out for them, even though we all know its going to be a very good product.
The GS coming later might just coincide with a better economy.
The real loser here is the RL, as it continues with basically no changes outside a beak and it always has been a poor seller. In the span of the RL, Infiniti has a M35 and x/M45, then added a M45x. Now they will have a M37, M56 and M37 hybrid along with x models. They also offer a sport package.
12-03-09, 02:01 PM
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lol, seems I posted in CarChat and now the 3GS forum on what I know...well I got a little info on the 4GS but Lexus of course is very mum. Dealers have seen the car already and the word thrown around is "beautiful" by people who have seen it. Couldn't get much more info though (yes its bigger). They told me they were happy with the current model and felt a lot of people just didn't know about it, so I am expecting better marketing like the 2GS (3GS ads really are pretty forgettable outside the figure 8 one). No word on a GS-F.
They told me they were happy with the current model and felt a lot of people just didn't know about it, so I am expecting better marketing like the 2GS (3GS ads really are pretty forgettable outside the figure 8 one). No word on a GS-F. So since the GS is a global car, if it's getting bigger I guess that means the next IS and LS are going to grow as well
. I hope the IS doesn't get too big and heavy. The LS could grow some I guess, since it's the flagship sedan and all.The M37/56 is really a Nissan Fuga, thus it has to keep the same 5 year short cycle of Nissan's and like non luxury brands/cars. The GS has always had a longer life cycle like BMW, Benz etc. Most luxury car buyers do not want the car to change constantly.
I much prefer the GS soldier on and keep the cycle of a luxury car/brand and let Nissan/Infiniti do what they think works best for them. I think with the new E-class, the new 5 series and the market still slow, they have their work cut out for them, even though we all know its going to be a very good product.
The GS coming later might just coincide with a better economy.
The real loser here is the RL, as it continues with basically no changes outside a beak and it always has been a poor seller. In the span of the RL, Infiniti has a M35 and x/M45, then added a M45x. Now they will have a M37, M56 and M37 hybrid along with x models. They also offer a sport package.
I much prefer the GS soldier on and keep the cycle of a luxury car/brand and let Nissan/Infiniti do what they think works best for them. I think with the new E-class, the new 5 series and the market still slow, they have their work cut out for them, even though we all know its going to be a very good product.
The GS coming later might just coincide with a better economy.
The real loser here is the RL, as it continues with basically no changes outside a beak and it always has been a poor seller. In the span of the RL, Infiniti has a M35 and x/M45, then added a M45x. Now they will have a M37, M56 and M37 hybrid along with x models. They also offer a sport package.
12-04-09, 05:05 AM
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I wonder if by bigger they mean A6/5series size? I hope it doesn't get to be as big as the M or the XF. I hope they do make an "F" model and I think the possibility of such a model is pretty high, but they might wait for the economy to improve before launching it (even though the economy is really looking up right now). Oh and I hope they upgrade the hybrid to lithium ion batteries and increase the power of the GSh to maybe 380 hp or so. I also hope that they upgrade the V8 to the same V8 thats in the LS (or maybe something even larger and better in order to compete with the 5 series and M56).
I also like the size of the current GS but everyone seems to what a bigger, fatter, heavier vehicle.
just because. I can't see Lexus resisting when the entire class has gotten huge and even Accords and Camry's are huge. I hope for your other suggestions as well.
So since the GS is a global car, if it's getting bigger I guess that means the next IS and LS are going to grow as well. I hope the IS doesn't get too big and heavy. The LS could grow some I guess, since it's the flagship sedan and all.
The trend is make your current cars bigger then introduce a small car and make it bigger each generation. Like the A3/A4 (now A1 is coming), 1/3 series, A/B/C class. I'm assuming the Ch will come here under the IS and eventually we might see a sedan version next generation (this is thinking WAY ahead). The reason for this is the German brands need to sell more vehicles to stay financially stable (not Audi since VW owns them) and small cars sell in Europe. Lexus will have to follow suit in Europe to be more successful.
I would think that if dealers have already seen the GS it might debut in concept form at the NAIAS and go on sale in the fall of next year. I don't think they're gonna wait 2 years or more if they've already shown it to dealers.
Some of us got word of the GX last fall when it debuted at dealers and it took a year (this month) for it to officially debut). So the GS might debut in Geneva next fall as a 2012 model.....
I also like the size of the current GS but everyone seems to what a bigger, fatter, heavier vehicle.
just because. I can't see Lexus resisting when the entire class has gotten huge and even Accords and Camry's are huge. I hope for your other suggestions as well. So since the GS is a global car, if it's getting bigger I guess that means the next IS and LS are going to grow as well
. I hope the IS doesn't get too big and heavy. The LS could grow some I guess, since it's the flagship sedan and all.The trend is make your current cars bigger then introduce a small car and make it bigger each generation. Like the A3/A4 (now A1 is coming), 1/3 series, A/B/C class. I'm assuming the Ch will come here under the IS and eventually we might see a sedan version next generation (this is thinking WAY ahead). The reason for this is the German brands need to sell more vehicles to stay financially stable (not Audi since VW owns them) and small cars sell in Europe. Lexus will have to follow suit in Europe to be more successful.
I would think that if dealers have already seen the GS it might debut in concept form at the NAIAS and go on sale in the fall of next year. I don't think they're gonna wait 2 years or more if they've already shown it to dealers.
Some of us got word of the GX last fall when it debuted at dealers and it took a year (this month) for it to officially debut). So the GS might debut in Geneva next fall as a 2012 model.....
12-04-09, 05:47 AM
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I actually read on a few Japanese blogs that GS-F is confirmed and they are working on it. Some say that it will be released in 2012. I guess we'll see. What I personally would like to see is GS-C (coupe) or even better an F version of a GS-C
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12-04-09, 06:24 AM
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The trend is make your current cars bigger then introduce a small car and make it bigger each generation. Like the A3/A4 (now A1 is coming), 1/3 series, A/B/C class. I'm assuming the Ch will come here under the IS and eventually we might see a sedan version next generation (this is thinking WAY ahead). The reason for this is the German brands need to sell more vehicles to stay financially stable (not Audi since VW owns them) and small cars sell in Europe. Lexus will have to follow suit in Europe to be more successful.
12-04-09, 07:28 AM
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12-04-09, 10:35 AM
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12-04-09, 01:33 PM
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. I do agree that the interiors of both the IS and GS could be a little larger, but their exterior dimensions don't have to grow to achieve that. I just hope Lexus doesn't get the Infiniti/Acura mindset that the only way to make a car interior bigger is to make it 6 inches longer and 500 pounds heavier . The Germans do a very good job at space management on their compact sports sedans and thats what keeps the C class and 3 series compact on the outside and roomy on the inside. Ah, too bad there won't a be a major unveiling at the largest autoshow...