View Poll Results: For handling what would be better?
A slammed GS will SLIGHTLY out handle a GS with sway bars
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Sway Bar VS Drop (slammed)
06-22-09, 07:16 PM
#1
Sway Bar VS Drop (slammed)
Curious to know... what you guys think?
Best for handling and if it's worth it...
This is not based on looks of the car... strictly referring to performance/handling
Best for handling and if it's worth it...
This is not based on looks of the car... strictly referring to performance/handling
Last edited by Batmobile; 06-22-09 at 07:22 PM.
06-22-09, 09:23 PM
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There are so many variables here but for the most part Henry is right. What do you mean by a "slammed" GS? For instance you can lower a car with stock spring rates, it won't handle much better compared to say coilovers that are designed to help the car handle better.
It also depends on the sways. Toms vs F-sport and not sure of the differences.
Decent explanation here on what sways do....
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/question432.htm
It also depends on the sways. Toms vs F-sport and not sure of the differences.
Decent explanation here on what sways do....
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/question432.htm
06-22-09, 09:34 PM
#5
Tires are an often neglected part of the handling conversation. IMO. I wonder why people never talk about tires when they are thinking to make a first modification to improve handling.
06-22-09, 09:37 PM
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06-22-09, 09:54 PM
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Sorry guys... let me elaborate a bit... i should have thought of these scenarios while posting...
let's say coilovers with adjustable dampening system slammed to the ground
and when i say handling i am referring to lessening the body roll let's say during an on or off-ramp
really? when i had my IS350 slammed to the ground it "felt" like it stuck pretty tight to the roads.
thank you for that 
+2 great post.
let's say coilovers with adjustable dampening system slammed to the ground
and when i say handling i am referring to lessening the body roll let's say during an on or off-ramp
There are so many variables here but for the most part Henry is right. What do you mean by a "slammed" GS? For instance you can lower a car with stock spring rates, it won't handle much better compared to say coilovers that are designed to help the car handle better.
It also depends on the sways. Toms vs F-sport and not sure of the differences.
Decent explanation here on what sways do....
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/question432.htm
It also depends on the sways. Toms vs F-sport and not sure of the differences.
Decent explanation here on what sways do....
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/question432.htm
I would say it depends on what the OP meant by "slamming". Is he saying cutting the springs, airbags, springs & struts, coilovers? Is he talking about lowering the car using engineering principles, or just dropping the car as low as possible? With a properly engineered spring and strut combo or coilovers there can be a very significant handling improvement. Sway bars also have a big impact on handling if properly engineered, but like anything else it all depends on the way they are engineered.
Tires are an often neglected part of the handling conversation. IMO. I wonder why people never talk about tires when they are thinking to make a first modification to improve handling.
Tires are an often neglected part of the handling conversation. IMO. I wonder why people never talk about tires when they are thinking to make a first modification to improve handling.
06-22-09, 10:20 PM
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Sorry guys... let me elaborate a bit... i should have thought of these scenarios while posting...
let's say coilovers with adjustable dampening system slammed to the ground
and when i say handling i am referring to lessening the body roll let's say during an on or off-ramp
really? when i had my IS350 slammed to the ground it "felt" like it stuck pretty tight to the roads.
thank you for that
+2 great post.
let's say coilovers with adjustable dampening system slammed to the ground
and when i say handling i am referring to lessening the body roll let's say during an on or off-ramp
really? when i had my IS350 slammed to the ground it "felt" like it stuck pretty tight to the roads.
thank you for that
+2 great post.
Stock with stock tires-Average performance
not bad but to me and Henry our 3GS handles like a 2 GS with TRD sways. Its a better handling car.Stock plus good tires-improve handling, very noticable, mostly you have more grip and don't lose traction.
Sways no springs/shocks. Handles better in corners I mean night and day difference on freeway ramps, much less lean. THing is the car does feel like its on "Tippy Toes" at high speeds (twice the limit) as you are not leaning as much but you still have a lot of room for the car to compress with teh stock shocks. Think of it like a 7 foot point guard with great sneakers checking a 6 foot guard. Think oversteer.
No Sways springs/shocks, less compression in corners and the car feels more aggresive in corners b/c its lower. The car still sways though. You will find yourself in a GS going faster than you should. Think understeer. I was dumped 2 inches
Sways Springs/Shocks- great combo, now you can go into corners at a faster speed with a lower center of gravity. Myself and a 540 driver (we swapped cars in an aggresive driving area) found the GS handled better than the 540 with those mods, more capable in corners. (what sucked was the damn steering).
Sways/Coils-Not my car bitkahuna's car and by far a clear step over my modded GS. Super confidence inspiring and you are really going into corners at highly illegal speeds. The Tein coils and EDFC really turned the car into a handling monster. If you are truly serious, you HAVE to go with Coils> springs. Adjustable, built truly for sport and built as a PACKAGE. THat is one huge advantage of Coils.
All in all sways IMO give the handling advantage if I was going to do one over the other IN the 2GS. I am curious how this will all work with the 3GS
My findings can be all wrong for a different vehicle. 
Let me get back to the tires post
WIth all that said I was a newb and young and cheaped out on tires. So I was adding all these suspension mods and putting some damn Payless Shoe tires on my car (Kumho basics, cheap Yokohoma etc)...
When I stepped into my Goodyear Eagle F1s....OMG, the difference was immense...Those tires took my car with the same suspension mods to ANOTHER LEVEL of grip wet and dry.
Tires Tires Tires!!!
06-22-09, 11:06 PM
#10
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I have the Tein CST with the EDFC and I am REALLY looking forward to getting the F sport sway bars and maybe the intake. I am hoping it will liven up the cars. Over all the GS does handle well but will roll in the high speed sweepers and sharp turns
06-23-09, 03:39 PM
#12
thanks guys... looks like sways win... which is what i thought i just needed to confirm.
thank you... very insightful.
Thanks for clarifying....Well I'll give my 2 cents based on my 2 GS modding as I've went all ways with suspension mods..
Stock with stock tires-Average performance not bad but to me and Henry our 3GS handles like a 2 GS with TRD sways. Its a better handling car.
Stock plus good tires-improve handling, very noticable, mostly you have more grip and don't lose traction.
Sways no springs/shocks. Handles better in corners I mean night and day difference on freeway ramps, much less lean. THing is the car does feel like its on "Tippy Toes" at high speeds (twice the limit) as you are not leaning as much but you still have a lot of room for the car to compress with teh stock shocks. Think of it like a 7 foot point guard with great sneakers checking a 6 foot guard. Think oversteer.
No Sways springs/shocks, less compression in corners and the car feels more aggresive in corners b/c its lower. The car still sways though. You will find yourself in a GS going faster than you should. Think understeer. I was dumped 2 inches
Sways Springs/Shocks- great combo, now you can go into corners at a faster speed with a lower center of gravity. Myself and a 540 driver (we swapped cars in an aggresive driving area) found the GS handled better than the 540 with those mods, more capable in corners. (what sucked was the damn steering).
Sways/Coils-Not my car bitkahuna's car and by far a clear step over my modded GS. Super confidence inspiring and you are really going into corners at highly illegal speeds. The Tein coils and EDFC really turned the car into a handling monster. If you are truly serious, you HAVE to go with Coils> springs. Adjustable, built truly for sport and built as a PACKAGE. THat is one huge advantage of Coils.
All in all sways IMO give the handling advantage if I was going to do one over the other IN the 2GS. I am curious how this will all work with the 3GS My findings can be all wrong for a different vehicle.
Let me get back to the tires post
WIth all that said I was a newb and young and cheaped out on tires. So I was adding all these suspension mods and putting some damn Payless Shoe tires on my car (Kumho basics, cheap Yokohoma etc)...
When I stepped into my Goodyear Eagle F1s....OMG, the difference was immense...Those tires took my car with the same suspension mods to ANOTHER LEVEL of grip wet and dry.
Tires Tires Tires!!!
Stock with stock tires-Average performance
not bad but to me and Henry our 3GS handles like a 2 GS with TRD sways. Its a better handling car.Stock plus good tires-improve handling, very noticable, mostly you have more grip and don't lose traction.
Sways no springs/shocks. Handles better in corners I mean night and day difference on freeway ramps, much less lean. THing is the car does feel like its on "Tippy Toes" at high speeds (twice the limit) as you are not leaning as much but you still have a lot of room for the car to compress with teh stock shocks. Think of it like a 7 foot point guard with great sneakers checking a 6 foot guard. Think oversteer.
No Sways springs/shocks, less compression in corners and the car feels more aggresive in corners b/c its lower. The car still sways though. You will find yourself in a GS going faster than you should. Think understeer. I was dumped 2 inches
Sways Springs/Shocks- great combo, now you can go into corners at a faster speed with a lower center of gravity. Myself and a 540 driver (we swapped cars in an aggresive driving area) found the GS handled better than the 540 with those mods, more capable in corners. (what sucked was the damn steering).
Sways/Coils-Not my car bitkahuna's car and by far a clear step over my modded GS. Super confidence inspiring and you are really going into corners at highly illegal speeds. The Tein coils and EDFC really turned the car into a handling monster. If you are truly serious, you HAVE to go with Coils> springs. Adjustable, built truly for sport and built as a PACKAGE. THat is one huge advantage of Coils.
All in all sways IMO give the handling advantage if I was going to do one over the other IN the 2GS. I am curious how this will all work with the 3GS
My findings can be all wrong for a different vehicle. Let me get back to the tires post
WIth all that said I was a newb and young and cheaped out on tires. So I was adding all these suspension mods and putting some damn Payless Shoe tires on my car (Kumho basics, cheap Yokohoma etc)...
When I stepped into my Goodyear Eagle F1s....OMG, the difference was immense...Those tires took my car with the same suspension mods to ANOTHER LEVEL of grip wet and dry.
Tires Tires Tires!!!
thank you... very insightful.
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