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01-06-10, 01:07 PM

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Also, is the APSS a standard feature in the 460? Dont know if mine has it.

apsss is standard on all 2010 450h and 460 in canada. in the usa, it is still an option i believe.

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01-06-10, 02:23 PM

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Are better leather seats really worth the extra $8500? I would rather not have the brake by wire if I have a choice. The rest of the extra stuff is more like I can take it or leave it, none of it is a deal breaker to me. APSS would be the only reason I would buy a GS460.

that's exactly why it's not worth it to you. where does it say semi aniline leather is 8500? that sounds like a lot?

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Also, is the APSS a standard feature in the 460? Dont know if mine has it.

i don't think it's standard on 460, i think it's option

look at your sticker and see if it says apsss

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01-06-10, 05:51 PM

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Also, is the APSS a standard feature in the 460? Dont know if mine has it.

It's an option only...and a rare one at that. I don't think it's really worth it for the price...and the loss of a physical spare tire.

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01-06-10, 06:05 PM

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It's an option only...and a rare one at that. I don't think it's really worth it for the price...and the loss of a physical spare tire.

It doesn't look OEM is it? What is APSS?

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01-06-10, 06:18 PM

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Does it also have its own battery? First time I've seen a picture of it. Thanks for posting that.

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01-06-10, 06:51 PM

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Yeah it's nice, but if you're running AVS in Sport with runflats, its pretty flat anyway.

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01-06-10, 07:31 PM

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It doesn't look OEM is it? What is APSS?

APSSS = active power stabilizer suspension system. they are electronic sways that provide great handling, especially when going into turns.

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01-06-10, 07:34 PM

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It's an option only...and a rare one at that. I don't think it's really worth it for the price...and the loss of a physical spare tire.

thx for posting a pic of the apsss, i always wanted to know how it looks like. and imho, i would gladly give up my small yellow donut for this. if only it was available when i got my GS in late 2008!

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01-06-10, 07:54 PM

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APSSS = active power stabilier suspension system. they are electronic sways that provide great handling, especially when going into turns.

thanks.

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01-06-10, 09:01 PM

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It doesn't look OEM is it? What is APSS?

apsss is easily the best handling option you can get from factory. if there is such an option for the gs350 i would have asked for it for sure (don't care about avs at all)

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01-07-10, 04:16 AM

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suspension, exhaust, brakes, i have yet to see any of those for gs350 rwd that don't fit on 450h or 460

I hope you're right, but my authorised Lexus dealer says otherwise.

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01-07-10, 07:04 AM

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I really think a big part is performance. 40hp is not that much.

If the GS460 had 380+ hp then I think more people would opt for that. I would certainly consider it if it came in AWD.

Look at the E350 vs E550... 268 hp vs. 382 hp?!

New 5 series, 306 hp vs. 407 hp?!

Yeah sure the semi-aniline other "options" are nice but they don't beat the straight-line in-your-face performance that you and your passengers can feel.

Imagine if the 3GS only came in GS300 with 245 hp vs. GS460 with 342 hp (which is a similar power difference between the German counterparts). Which one would you buy? and would the power difference alone justify the price difference? Probably more like so.

Agreed - Lexus screwed up by neutering the GS 460 to 340 hp from the LS's 380. They could have made a really nice "Sport" package on the GS with the power of the 380 hp engine. I never have understood that. Sure, they might not want to show up the more expensive LS, but the reality is that its a different animal - its a kinder, gentler Lexus.

A friend of mine drove a LS460 and GS350 back to back and told me the GS is much more responsive and better handling - actually faster than the LS (and that the 350!)

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01-07-10, 07:50 AM

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Yeah it's nice, but if you're running AVS in Sport with runflats, its pretty flat anyway.

Batman, you have the APSS option. Please tell us, is it smooth on straight away and only stiffens up when making turns?

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01-07-10, 08:20 AM

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Batman, you have the APSS option. Please tell us, is it smooth on straight away and only stiffens up when making turns?

APSS doesn't do anything for straight line or smoothness. It does help in cornering. The system is designed to basically electronically preload the sway bar in a hard cornering situation allowing the reduction of body roll and pitch.

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I hope you're right, but my authorised Lexus dealer says otherwise.

well, time for you to "gamble" and try

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Batman, you have the APSS option. Please tell us, is it smooth on straight away and only stiffens up when making turns?

on the gs450h i have driven with apsss, that's the case. which is a great thing to have, because usually having thick / strong sway bars will eventually cause harshness in the ride (just look at 2gs with the trd sways) even on normal roads. but the apsss is awesome coz' when you are going straight, setting is "soft" so it's a lot more forgiving. but when you start to take harder and harder turns, the apsss will tighten things up more and more to counter the roll

awesome setup

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