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iPhone 4/3GS/iPod Touch - streaming over A2DP (Stereo over Bluetooth) directly to ML
07-05-10, 05:41 PM
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You'd be surprised, how much difference you can tell on a ML sound system when listening High quality Digital vs Non. Trust me it's worth it!
07-06-10, 01:25 AM
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cheers!
07-06-10, 01:28 AM
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I have a link to a good source with killer price, as soon as they are out I will post it here.
Cheers!
07-06-10, 07:43 PM
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Your posts are very informative. Thank you.
Given that I do not use an iphone or ipad, and do not plan to subscribe to Sirius, would you recommend the Vaistech VML or the DICE for my 07 RX350
w/out navigation?
Your posts are very informative. Thank you.
Given that I do not use an iphone or ipad, and do not plan to subscribe to Sirius, would you recommend the Vaistech VML or the DICE for my 07 RX350
w/out navigation?
07-06-10, 11:49 PM
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DICE vs VAIS
These are my thoughts:
VML has a digital wired connection and has an option for a build in HD.
Dice has a digital wired connection and can accept a 2.5 HD plugged in to USB, and has A2DP option with MB1500. Or for -$50 no A2DP.
I'm not sure what your streaming source is but the number of devices featuring A2DP is growing very rapidly and will be the norm, sooner than later. (I've used A2DP on my windows phones 3-4 years ago) Now we have even Apple adapted that feature, who is usually the latest company to implement such features into their devices. Therefore it's a nice to have.
In my opinion DICE has more options, same quality if not better and costs less.
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"A typical usage case is the streaming of music content from a stereo music player to headphones or speakers. The audio data is compressed in a proper format for efficient use of the limited bandwidth."
So another compression on the top of MP3 compression. It's sound to me pretty "High Quality". Especially dynamic compression!
Plus as far as I understand engineers don't tell you specs over the phone, sales people do!
Doesn't sound like a high end device to me.
Also let me ask you a question. How do you know so much about the product that isn't out yet or has any documentation with specs on their website? Also arguing about the quality of the product that you haven't installed in your car or tried seems like a not creditable review.
07-07-10, 06:36 PM
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Can this get any more lame?
Some information from A2DP Specification:
"A typical usage case is the streaming of music content from a stereo music player to headphones or speakers. The audio data is compressed in a proper format for efficient use of the limited bandwidth."
So another compression on the top of MP3 compression. It's sound to me pretty "High Quality". Especially dynamic compression!
The specs for BMW MediaBridge not in the manual either…… Also how did you get directly to the engineers at Dice? Do you work for them?
Plus as far as I understand engineers don't tell you specs over the phone, sales people do!
I wouldn't talk about majority. And I think it insults the majority when you say they can't differ the sound quality.
So if it cost you 50$, that means it costs Dice around $15 or less!
Doesn't sound like a high end device to me.
"you get what you pay for"…
Also let me ask you a question. How do you know so much about the product that isn't out yet or has any documentation with specs on their website? Also arguing about the quality of the product that you haven't installed in your car or tried seems like a not creditable review.
"A typical usage case is the streaming of music content from a stereo music player to headphones or speakers. The audio data is compressed in a proper format for efficient use of the limited bandwidth."
So another compression on the top of MP3 compression. It's sound to me pretty "High Quality". Especially dynamic compression!
The specs for BMW MediaBridge not in the manual either…… Also how did you get directly to the engineers at Dice? Do you work for them?
Plus as far as I understand engineers don't tell you specs over the phone, sales people do!
I wouldn't talk about majority. And I think it insults the majority when you say they can't differ the sound quality.
So if it cost you 50$, that means it costs Dice around $15 or less!
Doesn't sound like a high end device to me.
"you get what you pay for"…
Also let me ask you a question. How do you know so much about the product that isn't out yet or has any documentation with specs on their website? Also arguing about the quality of the product that you haven't installed in your car or tried seems like a not creditable review.
Well here we are again
We're off to a good start as you took my advice and visited the Bluetooth.com and at least read the introduction page of the specifications on A2DP
If you want to get certain information, you don't necessarily need to work for a company like DICE to talk to an Engineer. We have countless number of resources; all that’s required is cleverness, willingness and ability to connect the dots.
Person I talked to is not a Sales person. And for the record I DON’T/DIDN'T WORK FOR DICE."What sounds to you" is a matter of perspective. But if you continue doing your research like you started, it will compliment your ability to sustain an argument in technical manner using factual data, instead of using "he-said, she-said", "It sounds to me", "I think", or assume any other mambo jumbo... (no offence)
I’m not insulting anybody, talking about majority. Being a musician over 20 years, it’s no surprise to anybody in music industry that most people don’t have STUDIO tuned ears to differentiate the 10% -15% discrepancy in distortion level, better yet - in a Car-like Environment.
Sound Engineer can and should “nerd out” because they can tell the difference
My friend, by the time you crank up your volume to offset the engine and outside noise, you will generate distortion due to the limitation for your speakers.
Maybe this is not the best analogy, but here it goes anyways:
(This reminds me of armatures that would buy the best processor on the market due to some review read in PcMag. Plug it into a limited, almost obsolete MB with limited ram, low disk perf…, can open Word faster by 2 seconds!!! Yet delusional that they achieved the highest performance, and better yet - with no real need or ability to utilize it) - That’s a nice hobby, and a waist of money, not much more.
I’m not even going to get into the cost of making the product, but leave you with this thought:
If you have a good audio device base, it will not cost much more to add a BT module or any other related modules. At this point it’s a feature of the product, and partial cost of this feature offsets to product itself.
For example: you can’t say that Lexus Dynamic Cruise Control is not good for $??? Dollars. It’s certain that it is an addition to the car/product base, and its partial cost would run against the product itself. Making the product with features as a whole for a good price.
Features of this product are listed loud and clear on their websites. BMW version of it has great reviews by people with the product installed.
And to end this pointless discussion, Please take time and read carefully the full POST next time and not take words out of context.
I make myself very clear; as soon as I test the device in person I will update the form with the outcome.What I said about capability of A2DP doesn't pertain only to DICE device. It’s a platform for use of many devices, which I do personally use, and happy with some, not so with others. WIll see how this goes!
Cheers!
07-07-10, 06:48 PM
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Serggus,
I have reviewed all your posts on the forum since you joined and I've got concerns about your post and seeming promotion for DICE in this and other threads (especially given your invitation to have members PM you for pricing (a violation of our terms of service BTW) and writing up a glowing review-style commentary for something you don't have in your hands yet).
Because of this concern I'm going to ask you to cease promoting anything DICE-related in your future posts and I look forward to other established members purchasing and reviewing this product when it comes out. That will ease my concerns about bias and PM sales.
I have reviewed all your posts on the forum since you joined and I've got concerns about your post and seeming promotion for DICE in this and other threads (especially given your invitation to have members PM you for pricing (a violation of our terms of service BTW) and writing up a glowing review-style commentary for something you don't have in your hands yet).
Because of this concern I'm going to ask you to cease promoting anything DICE-related in your future posts and I look forward to other established members purchasing and reviewing this product when it comes out. That will ease my concerns about bias and PM sales.
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