jscience

I want to get a 3rd Gen and throwing the idea up between a 300 or 400 and if there were any made with turbos that came stock on either one?

If not can either accept a turbo upgrade and if both which one is best for a turbo and if so how much is it usually? 8-10k or less than that?

XxGoKoUxX

Why the obsession with turbo?

No these cars do not take turbocharging too well..... We have GS300's but not any 400s, I believe those stopped production in 2000 or 1999.

No one here's fully ventured successfully with an FI system, as the system recalibrates too harshly and requires a lot of attention. We've had members with S/C's and turbo's. Some are on the works (someone may have already done it) of nitrous.

Our ECU's are not tunable, unlockable, or any sort in that reasoning. With the GS430's, the connecting rods are like toothpicks, push a little too hard and you'll probably snap it.

jscience

I finally just want a car with some ***** to be honest lol

I know for sure I want a 3rd Gen body style, I absolutely love it. And from what I understand the GS 300/350/400?/430/450 are all the exact same body correct?

I've been reading & trying to figure out what one I want & found the difference between the 300 & 350 is the 350 has way more HP at 303hp vs. 250 for GS300 so I'm sold on a GS350 on that reason alone. I realize these are the two V6 options.

But I also know the 300 was the old engine & was rock solid & the 350 is a new engine & I haven't done enough research to find if the engine is just as good or if it had/has problems/recalls.

I also just noticed there was a 350H which I know is their hybrid, were a lot of these made? I think I would be really interested in the 350h

As far as the V8 options, I thought this started at GS400 - so you're saying this 400 model isn't produced in the third Gen?

Basically the 430 took it's position and is the new V8? Is this the 4.3L engine?

Would that make the 450 the bigger V8 @ 4.6L engine?

Are these the MAIN engine differences between the 300/350/400/430/450?

Still trying to wrap my head around the 3rd Gen models.

I should also state that I REALLY want an AWD car, so whatever that narrows my models down will make the choice even easier.

Thanks.

ibidu1

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Sounds like you need a mitsubishi evo 8

XxGoKoUxX

You were a bit misinformed in your readings. Let's elaborate on your studies, since you're a bit confused.

The 3rd-gen GS comes in the following flavors: GS300 (2006-2007 I believe) GS430 (2006-2007) GS350 (07-present) GS450h (07+, maybe 06+.... I'm still a bit confused on this models background... hybrid motor.... combination of the GS350 v6 +hybrid engine) (GS460, 4.6L v8).

The GS400 is from the second Gen-GS, if you want the 2nd-gens, you'll have to visit the 2nd-gen forums .

Now, onto your findings for the v6.... the GS300 is NOT the legendary 2jz motor that you're thinking. in 2006, the 3rd gen's gs300 is a revamped engine that is the 3GR-FE. Completely different motor, and to which, people have been having trouble with it a lot recently..

The GS300 and GS350 BOTH share the same engine base, just different displacement and DI. So when you say you have to research one motor, you'll have to research both....

There is no such thing as a 350h, it is the GS450h. A lot of them were made IMO. As I see them all the time. Statistically there's more GS350's and GS300's.

The GS400 is not produced in the third gen, the GS430 is produced in the 3rd gen, then it was replaced in 07 or 08 (I forgot which year tbh....) with the GS460.

The 3rd gen models should be labeled up above on our subforum heading:


GS - Third Generation

Discussion about the 2006+ model GS300, GS350, GS430, GS450H and GS460

Why do you want an AWD model particularly? If it's for snow traction, I understand, otherwise the AWD models aren't all they're cracked up to be. Don't expect to run nasty QM times or do launches on them because they're AWD because your AWD system will take a giant dump on you LOL.

If you're looking for a car that you purely expect to slap performance parts on, the 3rd-gen GS isn't your car. Like ibidu said, you might want to look at an evo/Sti/other AWD performance car.... Maybe you'll get away with the AWD G37 or another AWD model.

jscience

Thanks for the clarity. Checking Wiki it seems the 460 was introduced in 2007.

I would consider a 460 but they weren't offered with AWD until a couple years later I think and that's too far out of my budget.

So to get the fastest engine with the highest HP & AWD the 2007 350 is perfect for me I think.

And I live in Cleveland, Ohio so AWD is a must. (or highly preferable I have a 2001 Acura TL right now that is at least Front Wheel drive)

I don't plan on modding this car too much, maybe just a few slight upgrades to increase HP & upgrade stereo/touch panel so I can integrate my iphone/android phone.

So the j2z motor is still a much better motor than the new 3.5L that the 2007 350 has?

That doesn't mean the 3.5L is any slouch or a bad motor though does it?

XxGoKoUxX

the 2jz motor is Toyota's landmark I-6(I-6 because the piston array is a straight-6 vs v6, like the 3rd gen GS) engine. They're based off the last-gen supras and the GTE edition of those engines are made to handle a heap of power before breaking down into the internals. The 2nd gen GS's are equipped with those.

designo

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The GS460 replaced the GS430 in 2008. And they only came in RWD... never has a V8 come in AWD.

jscience

Supra - my favorite car of all time! I thought they were V8s not V6?

As great of an engine as it is, I still love the 3rd Gen body style the best.

What kind of legacy has the new 3.5L created for itself? Anything close to the 2jz motor? Is it still being used in new 350's being produced today?

I could be mistaken but did I read something about this engine & needing the valve-something-or-order redone?

Could have sworn I saw something about a AWD V8 in the last couple years worth of models?

Mike1970

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word!!!!!!!!!

XxGoKoUxX

I highly doubt it.... Check the 4GS', as the 3GS's don't have AWD v8's. The sheer fact that these cars aim more towards MPGs rather than performance tells you that Lexus would steer away from a AWD v8. The Supra's were all i6s (not v6s.... motor orientation is 100% DIFFERENT) not v8s. Yes the 3.5L has its recalls, and YES, the 2014 is still the 3.5L v6's.

jscience

Thanks for the info. I'll have to do more research on what was exactly recalled on the 3.5L and try to avoid it, but I assume any recall that has been made on this engine has been serviced & fixed so it really shouldn't be an issue buying a used one. (generally speaking)

Any idea if a new Supra is coming to the US? It looks like the new F series/class is a new Supra with a Lambo price tag lol but man is it awesome!

Stormforge

GS450h came out in 2006 for the 2007 model year in north america


Actually the GS450h has a much smaller production run than the regular GS350. The fact that you see a lot of them in your location could be an anomaly in the GS450h world. It is rare to see a GS450h, especially in my city.

Stormforge

jscience, if got the money, i recommend you wait for the GS-F to come out (rumored to be out in very near future). search the 4GS forum for it.

if not, then your best bet would be to mod the 2GS, lots of FI and speed goodies available. unfortunately, the 3GS just don't have any aftermarket performance parts to give you what you're looking for.

StayStanky

I haven't ever seen or heard of anyone successfully boosting a 3gs. Our cars are cruisers, not bruisers.

If you want to make real power, I think you should get a 2gs...seems like a better platform for engine swaps and the like. You could go 2jz turbo or even an ls1