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NEED HELP: GS 460 vs AWD GS 350
12-07-21, 05:32 PM
#1
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NEED HELP: GS 460 vs AWD GS 350
6 months ago I bought my first Lexus. 2007 GS 350 AWD (coming from a Kia it was life changing XD)
I am trying to decide if it’s worth upgrading for GS 460. I just started working for fitment industries. Have really fell in love with after market modifications.
Ik I limited with my 3.5 engine and 6 speed transmission. . Really have feel it love with what I have heard about the 8 speed in 460.
I also work from home. Resulting in very low miles a year. So not worried about gas. considering I average 19 as is.
Really just need to know if the 460 is worth the 3-4k upgrade. Goal would be sub 110,000 miles on the V8.
INPUT PLEASE.
I am trying to decide if it’s worth upgrading for GS 460. I just started working for fitment industries. Have really fell in love with after market modifications.
Ik I limited with my 3.5 engine and 6 speed transmission. . Really have feel it love with what I have heard about the 8 speed in 460.
I also work from home. Resulting in very low miles a year. So not worried about gas. considering I average 19 as is.
Really just need to know if the 460 is worth the 3-4k upgrade. Goal would be sub 110,000 miles on the V8.
INPUT PLEASE.
Last edited by McFaddenN; 12-12-21 at 08:23 PM.
12-07-21, 10:48 PM
#2
For speed wise youre not gaining a whole lot, your awd will launch faster then the GS460. Sure the 460 will be faster in the end.
Same for handling through the turns the awd will pull the car faster through the turn, because of the traction advantage. Save your money with the 350 and buy a corvette as a 2nd car later on.
Same for handling through the turns the awd will pull the car faster through the turn, because of the traction advantage. Save your money with the 350 and buy a corvette as a 2nd car later on.
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McFaddenN (12-12-21)
12-08-21, 07:00 AM
#3
I've never owned a 350, but I really like my 460 a lot. so fun to drive, and that v8 sounds so nice. the potential negatives for the 460 are that they are are harder to work on, have the potential for an expensive brake actuator failure, and parts overall will most likely be harder to find down to road.
12-12-21, 12:31 PM
#4
For speed wise youre not gaining a whole lot, your awd will launch faster then the GS460. Sure the 460 will be faster in the end.
Same for handling through the turns the awd will pull the car faster through the turn, because of the traction advantage. Save your money with the 350 and buy a corvette as a 2nd car later on.
Same for handling through the turns the awd will pull the car faster through the turn, because of the traction advantage. Save your money with the 350 and buy a corvette as a 2nd car later on.
The 4.6s respond quite well to headers tune and gears. Remember from the factory the 4.6 was detuned pretty decently. And fitted with a 2.97 gear. So once you toss a tune,headers, and gears in them they are far quicker. Not to mention sound ridiculously better!
12-12-21, 01:39 PM
#5
Eh you're gaining a fair amount.amount it's in how a 4.6 8spd rwd will respond to mods compared to a 3.5 6spd awd.
The 4.6s respond quite well to headers tune and gears. Remember from the factory the 4.6 was detuned pretty decently. And fitted with a 2.97 gear. So once you toss a tune,headers, and gears in them they are far quicker. Not to mention sound ridiculously better!
The 4.6s respond quite well to headers tune and gears. Remember from the factory the 4.6 was detuned pretty decently. And fitted with a 2.97 gear. So once you toss a tune,headers, and gears in them they are far quicker. Not to mention sound ridiculously better!
12-12-21, 01:44 PM
#6
I agree! tune, headers, gears those are all pricey mods. You have to ask yourself is it worth it to spend that much to make it faster. I would consider going a 2016 GSF v8, you get so much more car and prices are starting to drop on them. Mods will kill the resale of the car, not many people want racing headers, so that money you put into that car you will not get back unless you sell the parts used. But buying a GSF its already fast, with a sick interior.
I'd certainly hope a car thatll most likely cost you 50k more would have a nicer interior and be faster.
Tune and gears are cheap. And wont kill the value. Exhaust? Well you are shrinking your interested market. However your gsf point is worthless as it's not an option presented here. We are discussing a 350 and a 460.
But why mess with the gsf when you could simply buy a LC500 and end up with a nicer interior and a better trans?
or why but a LC500 when you could easily buy a LFA which is is so much sicker! But why mess with an old LFA when you could easily buy a new Bugatti chiron? But why buy a chiron when you could be so much more comfortable in a Rolls Royce? Why buy a rolls royce when you can easily offroad so much easier in a G65 and do it in comfort?
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McFaddenN (12-12-21)
12-12-21, 06:50 PM
#7
I agree! tune, headers, gears those are all pricey mods. You have to ask yourself is it worth it to spend that much to make it faster. I would consider going a 2016 GSF v8, you get so much more car and prices are starting to drop on them. Mods will kill the resale of the car, not many people want racing headers, so that money you put into that car you will not get back unless you sell the parts used. But buying a GSF its already fast, with a sick interior.
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12-13-21, 02:56 PM
#9
Intermediate
A stock 460 is a decent jump in performance over the 350 awd in every metric. It launches much harder than the 350 rwd or awd. The 350 has never "launched harder" and handling is even better in the 460, since the 460 came standard with AVS. There is no proof that the awd is faster than the rwd 350, in fact there is much proof that it is slower than the rwd, so I'm not sure why anyone is claiming that its faster than a stock 460 lol
Anyways, a 460 is definitely worth the price for an upgrade. Its rare, its similar in reliability, the aftermarket is getting pretty good now, and with just a few mods you have similar performance to the ISF. I average about 20mpg in both of my 460s so you won't lose out on MPG either.
Anyways, a 460 is definitely worth the price for an upgrade. Its rare, its similar in reliability, the aftermarket is getting pretty good now, and with just a few mods you have similar performance to the ISF. I average about 20mpg in both of my 460s so you won't lose out on MPG either.
Last edited by TreysGS460; 12-13-21 at 02:59 PM.
12-14-21, 12:40 AM
#10
A stock 460 is a decent jump in performance over the 350 awd in every metric. It launches much harder than the 350 rwd or awd. The 350 has never "launched harder" and handling is even better in the 460, since the 460 came standard with AVS. There is no proof that the awd is faster than the rwd 350, in fact there is much proof that it is slower than the rwd, so I'm not sure why anyone is claiming that its faster than a stock 460 lol
Anyways, a 460 is definitely worth the price for an upgrade. Its rare, its similar in reliability, the aftermarket is getting pretty good now, and with just a few mods you have similar performance to the ISF. I average about 20mpg in both of my 460s so you won't lose out on MPG either.
Anyways, a 460 is definitely worth the price for an upgrade. Its rare, its similar in reliability, the aftermarket is getting pretty good now, and with just a few mods you have similar performance to the ISF. I average about 20mpg in both of my 460s so you won't lose out on MPG either.
If you know how to launch the awd properly, by loading up the stall convertor you can take advantage of a really strong launch. The system is not a 4wd, its clutches limit the amount of power needed to the front wheels. So power loss is not as bad as a 4wd. Im 100% confident the awd launches harder, because more likely you break the tires loose launching a v8 rwd in a drag race, or traction control is pulling a lot of timing. The awd will chirp/spin all 4 wheels if you launch it hard enough. So traction wise, if a race were to happen in a loose surfaced road and not a prepped drag race the awd would win a stock gs460 or atleast stay be beside it.
12-14-21, 01:41 AM
#11
Intermediate
With my awd GS350, Ive raced a LS460, mustang 4.6, GS430, and one time a GS460 "but not from a dig". The awd beat them all except for the GS460, he pulled me at the very top on our roll race.
If you know how to launch the awd properly, by loading up the stall convertor you can take advantage of a really strong launch. The system is not a 4wd, its clutches limit the amount of power needed to the front wheels. So power loss is not as bad as a 4wd. Im 100% confident the awd launches harder, because more likely you break the tires loose launching a v8 rwd in a drag race, or traction control is pulling a lot of timing. The awd will chirp/spin all 4 wheels if you launch it hard enough. So traction wise, if a race were to happen in a loose surfaced road and not a prepped drag race the awd would win a stock gs460 or atleast stay be beside it.
If you know how to launch the awd properly, by loading up the stall convertor you can take advantage of a really strong launch. The system is not a 4wd, its clutches limit the amount of power needed to the front wheels. So power loss is not as bad as a 4wd. Im 100% confident the awd launches harder, because more likely you break the tires loose launching a v8 rwd in a drag race, or traction control is pulling a lot of timing. The awd will chirp/spin all 4 wheels if you launch it hard enough. So traction wise, if a race were to happen in a loose surfaced road and not a prepped drag race the awd would win a stock gs460 or atleast stay be beside it.
Just talk bro, theres just no evidence to show that thats the case. The mustang 4.6 is a joke, so no comment there. 430s aren't fast, besides, winning against those cars doesn't mean your car was faster. Exactly like you claim you just got a better launch. They could be running 6 second 0-60s so winning against them might not mean anything lol I need actual proof.
I launch with TC off, it doesn't pull timing though. Most performance tires are good enough for a stock 460, traction isn't that big of an issue, its GOING to pull on a 350 awd 0-60, 0-100, 60-130, literally every metric.
Show me one example of a stock 350 awd running low 5s in the 0-60 and I'll believe you, since thats what most 460s run stock with good tires. It won't happen, theres a few in the Dragy leaderboards, but they have mods. This myth exists for every lexus lmao, even the 460, people say the 0-60 is underrated, saying its closer to 5.1
Last edited by TreysGS460; 12-14-21 at 01:48 AM.
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12-14-21, 05:10 AM
#12
Gs460 342hp
Gs460 322hp detuned
Gs350 303hp
From the fastest 460 the difference is 39 hp, the slowest 460 the difference is 17 hp to the GS350 then you have the weight disadvantage of the 460, v8 is heavier. These are not drag cars, they are daily cars, both are slow compared to a vette.
You can easily make that awd beat the 460 with a simple 75 wet shot of nitrous. That would be sick btw
Gs460 322hp detuned
Gs350 303hp
From the fastest 460 the difference is 39 hp, the slowest 460 the difference is 17 hp to the GS350 then you have the weight disadvantage of the 460, v8 is heavier. These are not drag cars, they are daily cars, both are slow compared to a vette.
You can easily make that awd beat the 460 with a simple 75 wet shot of nitrous. That would be sick btw
12-14-21, 12:58 PM
#13
Intermediate
Gs460 342hp
Gs460 322hp detuned
Gs350 303hp
From the fastest 460 the difference is 39 hp, the slowest 460 the difference is 17 hp to the GS350 then you have the weight disadvantage of the 460, v8 is heavier. These are not drag cars, they are daily cars, both are slow compared to a vette.
You can easily make that awd beat the 460 with a simple 75 wet shot of nitrous. That would be sick btw
Gs460 322hp detuned
Gs350 303hp
From the fastest 460 the difference is 39 hp, the slowest 460 the difference is 17 hp to the GS350 then you have the weight disadvantage of the 460, v8 is heavier. These are not drag cars, they are daily cars, both are slow compared to a vette.
You can easily make that awd beat the 460 with a simple 75 wet shot of nitrous. That would be sick btw
Don't forget that the GS460s 1UR was already detuned from 380hp, so we make an easy 40hp once reversing all that.
Any car can be made faster with a "simple" wet shot of nitrous, that same 75 shot in a 460 would beat most ISFs.
Last edited by TreysGS460; 12-14-21 at 01:35 PM.
12-14-21, 04:12 PM
#14
With my awd GS350, Ive raced a LS460, mustang 4.6, GS430, and one time a GS460 "but not from a dig". The awd beat them all except for the GS460, he pulled me at the very top on our roll race.
If you know how to launch the awd properly, by loading up the stall convertor you can take advantage of a really strong launch. The system is not a 4wd, its clutches limit the amount of power needed to the front wheels. So power loss is not as bad as a 4wd. Im 100% confident the awd launches harder, because more likely you break the tires loose launching a v8 rwd in a drag race, or traction control is pulling a lot of timing. The awd will chirp/spin all 4 wheels if you launch it hard enough. So traction wise, if a race were to happen in a loose surfaced road and not a prepped drag race the awd would win a stock gs460 or atleast stay be beside it.
If you know how to launch the awd properly, by loading up the stall convertor you can take advantage of a really strong launch. The system is not a 4wd, its clutches limit the amount of power needed to the front wheels. So power loss is not as bad as a 4wd. Im 100% confident the awd launches harder, because more likely you break the tires loose launching a v8 rwd in a drag race, or traction control is pulling a lot of timing. The awd will chirp/spin all 4 wheels if you launch it hard enough. So traction wise, if a race were to happen in a loose surfaced road and not a prepped drag race the awd would win a stock gs460 or atleast stay be beside it.
1# a gs350 awd is similar in weight to a gs460
2# a ls460 is even heavier
3# a 4.6 mustang doesnt tell us much. That could be 205-305hp.
4# a decent tire on a gs460 and it's not spinning.
5# drivetrain losses are still higher in an awd.
6# you can bring up a gs460 on the convertor
7# it's technically called a torque convertor. The stall refers to the rpm it's made for. With some set higher and some set lower.
8# you can spray nitrous on a 460 just as easily.
9# a 460 will respond better to similar mods than a 350.
10# the 350 does have a slight final drive gearing advantage. However that's a cheap upgrade for a 460 (can be done in an afternoon for 200 bucks).
Just a few points to touch on.
12-14-21, 09:07 PM
#15
I am not saying the GS350 AWD is faster then the 460. Its just not going to get gapped hard, especially out of the hole, where the awd shines. The 350 is no slouch!
On dragtimes.com you can compare time slips of actual people.
GS350 best 1/4 mile time 14.110 99.6mph and slowest being 14.119 (not sure if rwd or awd)
GS460 best 1/4 mile time 13.910 103.1mph and slowest being 14.010
After doing some "youtube research" I found 2 videos, of a 460 vs 350 AWD at the same exact track, same elevation, same timing etc. Both list their mods! The Gs350 AWD beats the 460
detuned GS460 (a clublexus member) full exhaust minus headers, intake
GS350 AWD stock with a secondary cat delete
On dragtimes.com you can compare time slips of actual people.
GS350 best 1/4 mile time 14.110 99.6mph and slowest being 14.119 (not sure if rwd or awd)
GS460 best 1/4 mile time 13.910 103.1mph and slowest being 14.010
After doing some "youtube research" I found 2 videos, of a 460 vs 350 AWD at the same exact track, same elevation, same timing etc. Both list their mods! The Gs350 AWD beats the 460
detuned GS460 (a clublexus member) full exhaust minus headers, intake
GS350 AWD stock with a secondary cat delete