4GS mega thread (UPDATED; preview drives, specs, more interior pics)
05-13-11, 02:29 PM
#1921
That is a old article before the LFA was even finalized and before the economic crisis, high gas prices, and stricter gov regulations. It is very doubtful the GSf is going to get the LFAs V10. That engine has to be so expensive to produce that it is not going to save them any money also sticking in a GS unless the GSf is going to be priced well over 100K which would ensure it not selling well. The LFA engine would also have to be enlarged and modified to not rev as high and have more torque to be suitable for a heavier 4 door daily driven sedan and that will cost money.
The competition is downsizing to smaller turbo v8s because of federal regulations and that is where Toyota is most likely going with the GSf if they make it. I know it may not be popular but I don't think it will be that bad if it has around 475hp instead of over 500hp. The GSf is most likely going to be lighter then the M5 so it won't need as much hp and they could still find a market for a less expensive more reliable alternative to the M5s and AMGs. I am sure Toyota wants it to be a good deal more fuel efficient then the competition also and that could be selling/bragging point.
As long as it is not too expensive I don't see why anyone would be complaining about a tuned GSf version with 460-495hp that still has over 100hp more then the current GS430 especially since a regular v8 is almost certain to be dropped as a option on the 4th Gen GS.
The competition is downsizing to smaller turbo v8s because of federal regulations and that is where Toyota is most likely going with the GSf if they make it. I know it may not be popular but I don't think it will be that bad if it has around 475hp instead of over 500hp. The GSf is most likely going to be lighter then the M5 so it won't need as much hp and they could still find a market for a less expensive more reliable alternative to the M5s and AMGs. I am sure Toyota wants it to be a good deal more fuel efficient then the competition also and that could be selling/bragging point.
As long as it is not too expensive I don't see why anyone would be complaining about a tuned GSf version with 460-495hp that still has over 100hp more then the current GS430 especially since a regular v8 is almost certain to be dropped as a option on the 4th Gen GS.
05-13-11, 03:38 PM
#1922
Lexus Fanatic
05-15-11, 10:15 PM
#1923
oh don't get me wrong, i will welcome that car with open hands too. however, please don't put the gsf badge on it. it kills the badge / lineup, that's all i am trying to say. if they put the isf engine in it with all the extra, and call it the gs500 or gs f-sport or gs with "sport package", i am totally cool (and happy actually)
I just don't think they would put everything in it if it is just a F-sport package, look at the IS F-Sport now.
05-15-11, 10:20 PM
#1924
The ISF matched the E9X M3 in performance on paper, but not in driving feel.
05-15-11, 11:00 PM
#1925
you just don't say it in the lfa forum, i already gave up. outside of the lfa forum you say anything that makes sense and most would agree with you. but at the same time i think that's the nature of some fans in the lfa forum, and i can see where that came from, so i am not too surprised and i am ok with it
05-16-11, 12:09 AM
#1926
you just don't say it in the lfa forum, i already gave up. outside of the lfa forum you say anything that makes sense and most would agree with you. but at the same time i think that's the nature of some fans in the lfa forum, and i can see where that came from, so i am not too surprised and i am ok with it
I don't post my opinion in the LFA forum anymore.
05-19-11, 09:45 PM
#1927
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Hearing stronger rumors that the GS in Europe will be two models, the 450h with improvements in MPG/Performance and a new 4 cylinder hybrid GS to battle diesels (the Jag XF for instance will get its first 4 cylinder diesel later this year). As it stands Lexus is going with hybrids in Europe and expect more hybrid drivetrains than just the one per model we get now. For example Europe only gets the LS 600h L now for the LS, the most expensive LS possible. No wonder sales were in a rut!
No idea will we get this model if it is true but I think I did report in the past the GS may gain a 4 cylinder hybrid for better MPG.
With Gazoo racing using the HS drivetrain with the 2.4 liter, I wonder if it is this existing setup or a new one with the new 2.5 I-4 in Toyota's .
No idea will we get this model if it is true but I think I did report in the past the GS may gain a 4 cylinder hybrid for better MPG.
With Gazoo racing using the HS drivetrain with the 2.4 liter, I wonder if it is this existing setup or a new one with the new 2.5 I-4 in Toyota's .
05-19-11, 09:47 PM
#1928
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Hearing stronger rumors that the GS in Europe will be two models, the 450h with improvements in MPG/Performance and a new 4 cylinder hybrid GS to battle diesels (the Jag XF for instance will get its first 4 cylinder diesel later this year) and be the sales/volume leader for the GS. As it stands Lexus is going with hybrids in Europe and expect more hybrid drivetrains than just the one per model we get now. For example Europe only gets the LS 600h L now for the LS, the most expensive LS possible. No wonder sales were in a rut! ( I figure a LS 450h is likely coming as well then)
No idea will we get this model if it is true but I think I did report in the past the GS may gain a 4 cylinder hybrid for better MPG.
With Gazoo racing using the HS drivetrain with the 2.4 liter, I wonder if it is this existing setup or a new one with the new 2.5 I-4 in Toyota's .
No idea will we get this model if it is true but I think I did report in the past the GS may gain a 4 cylinder hybrid for better MPG.
With Gazoo racing using the HS drivetrain with the 2.4 liter, I wonder if it is this existing setup or a new one with the new 2.5 I-4 in Toyota's .
05-19-11, 10:26 PM
#1930
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With gas prices where they are, with higher MPG requirements and with Lexus hoping to expand greatly in Europe I see it coming, it only makes sense. The Germans sell all sorts of tiny engine 4 cylinder cars in this class, Lexus cannot continue to sell big engine GS vehicles and watch sales suffer. They have to adapt and sell smaller engines there. Lexus seems to have no interest in diesels, the IS 200d is likely on the way out.
05-19-11, 11:08 PM
#1931
With gas prices where they are, with higher MPG requirements and with Lexus hoping to expand greatly in Europe I see it coming, it only makes sense. The Germans sell all sorts of tiny engine 4 cylinder cars in this class, Lexus cannot continue to sell big engine GS vehicles and watch sales suffer. They have to adapt and sell smaller engines there. Lexus seems to have no interest in diesels, the IS 200d is likely on the way out.
05-20-11, 03:58 AM
#1933
Pole Position
But you can fit in 2.5 V6. I thnk GS desperatly needs fuel efficient hybrid trim, something like 2.5l 250hp 30mpg combo.
05-20-11, 07:25 AM
#1935
Lead Lap
I just hope they don't screw up the 4GS like the 3GS. There was no reason to come out with the 300 and 430 and then switch to the 350 and 460 a year later. Why not just wait and do it right the first time.