Stormforge

until i see the proof with my own eyes at the dealership or through lexus advertising that it's coming out for sure 100%, i will remain guarded about the future availability of the GS-F.

huh? doesn't have the V8 feel? when i stomp on the gas pedal with 'power' switch on, i can feel my back pushed back against my seat. i would recommend you test drive the GS450h to see for yourself.

someone correct me if i'm wrong, but i thought they detuned the GS460 because they didn't want the same hp output as the LS460? if true, it's not to match the GS460 to GS450h power output, but detune so it doesn't compete with LS460 in terms of hp.

designo

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There will be three V6 models ( 300, 350 and 450h )
The GSF will have a V10

Stormforge

^ we have one member saying GS-F will be V8, another member says it will be V10. that's why i don't believe any rumors unless lexus provide the info through official channels.

Justin2JZ

I highly doubt Lexus will put the V10 in a GS. ^ Yep we'll just have to wait til the 18th.

Trexus

Tentatively it appears there will be a GS 250 for the European market, GS 350 and GS 450h for the U.S. market. Hopefully we'll get a GS F. Too bad there is no GS 460...bummer but who knows maybe Lexus might bring it back...I'd like to see:

GS 200d (European market)
GS 250 (European market maybe Chinese market)
GS 350
GS 350C
GS 460
GS 460C

GS F

GS 450h

It does seem like there's too many variants...

Blackraven

Lol, a GS Cabriolet? I'm not too sure on that. Anyways, we'll see.

Btw, put in a possible GS diesel version (which may or may not come into Europe depending on what mood Lexus is in or will be in)

Anyways, I'm hoping for something similar to your list. Either way, I just hope that the GS-F with at least 500 hp if ever it will come.

SNiiP3R

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GS-C = GS Coupe version. Cabrio GS would look too funny. Also, I'm not too sure that we're ever see a diesel GS. Lexus is good with hybrids, so I don't think they're very interested in investing in diesel engines

Blackraven

There might be a diesel GS (for the European market at least). I just hope it isn't as crappy as the IS220d though.

It's just a possibility though.

*Batman*

Not too many variants. If you want to be a market leader globally you need a lot of variants.

BMW has 9 power trains for the 5 series:
523i
528i
535i
550i
520D
525D
530D
Active 5 Hybrid
M5

And that's just sedan variants. They also have 6 body styles of the 5 series:
5 sedan
5 GT
5 wagon
6 cabrio
6 coupe
6 sedan

*Batman*

They need both a 4 cylinder and 6 cylinder diesel to compete in Europe. Diesel hybrid would be a good move to build their credibility in Europe.

MPLexus301

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I'd love to see Lexus go full press with a GS 250, GS 350, GS 500 (V8), GSh, and GSF in the States.

Will that happen? Obviously not...but...I'd love to see a 250ish HP GS 250 here. I think that would be a great move for sales. Look at how many 528is you see....

rominl

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it might go like a v8, but i have to agree with BR that it lacks that deep engine / exhaust note of the v8. the hybrid is different in that sense.

no one knows the exact reason for the gs460 power. what you said is one rumor, people also say maybe they can't fit the engine intake and had to compromise, etc...

it's only stupid of lexus if they detune the car not to compete with ls. gs430 matched power of the ls430 and they were just fine

BNR34

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I hope you are right, I really do want to see Lexus to be good.

BNR34

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True, nothing is sure until is out. But from all indications and common sense, it should be here.

I have driven various years 450h many times, you think I am some Honda rice boy that comment on how a car feel without ever driven one?

You described power output, yes the 450h feel as strong as a 460, it might even feel stronger. What I meant by "feel" is the linearity of the power delivery, also the smoothness, no V6 is as smooth as a V8, there is nothing you can do to fake it.

GS400 had 300 hp, LS400 had 290 hp.
GS430 had 300 hp, LS430 had 290 hp.

Well that's the claimed #, I secretly think they all got the same power due to the same engine, they just claim it differently for marketing purposes.

They did that from 1998 to 2006, 8 years......why do you think all of a sudden they don't want the GS460 have the same, or more power then the LS460?

The GS is a smaller, sportier car, it make sense for it to have more power. The LS is a bigger full size couch, very few people cross shop the 2, they feel totally different, there is zero concern of them competing with each other. We currently owns both, I made the purchasing decision twice, truth me, people only want one or the other. Sporty or comfort.

BNR34

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Not just the sounds, is the overall feel. Comparing dyno graph would paint a clear picture. But you still can't describe "feel". Like a chipped 335i run dead even with a V8 M3 in a straight line, but they feel totally different.

Come on, we know cars.........they can stuff a V8 in an IS300 but they can't fit the LS460 intake in a GS so the power is reduced by 40 hp.......that is an ignorant rumor made up by GS460 owners to make themselve feel better about their cars. Also if it is true, a smaller intake doesn't reduce the power by a whopping 40 hp, and just so conveniently the total power of the 450h is also 340 hp........umm.

I see their reasoning. They want to ease us into the idea of a V6 Hybrid having the same power as a V8.......we won't get that idea if the V8 got 40 more hp won't we? Just like how Audi want us to believe the supercharged V6 is just as cool as a V8 in the S4.