4GS mega thread (UPDATED; preview drives, specs, more interior pics)
08-13-11, 01:11 AM
#3571
EDIT: You are right.
For the GS460, most markets get the 1GR-FSE engine. For markets like ours, we just get the 1GR-FE engine. So yeah, the main difference lies in the presence or absence of Toyota D4-S direct injection
There is a 20 hp difference.
Btw
Lexus has a policy to not sell direct injection engines in certain markets due to fuel quality issues. Markets such as the GCC (Middle East), Philippines, Brunei and Indonesia are among those included.
This is the reason why get the IS 300 which can run even on ****-poor quality fuel.........and that's why we get that instead of the IS250/IS350 that everyone else gets.
Lexus doesn't want to tarnish its reputation if it sells direct injection engines in our markets then craps out when fed with dirty fuel. Lexus does not want to risk that.............hence why our markets don't get direct injection models.
For the GS460, most markets get the 1GR-FSE engine. For markets like ours, we just get the 1GR-FE engine. So yeah, the main difference lies in the presence or absence of Toyota D4-S direct injection
There is a 20 hp difference.
Btw
Lexus has a policy to not sell direct injection engines in certain markets due to fuel quality issues. Markets such as the GCC (Middle East), Philippines, Brunei and Indonesia are among those included.
This is the reason why get the IS 300 which can run even on ****-poor quality fuel.........and that's why we get that instead of the IS250/IS350 that everyone else gets.
Lexus doesn't want to tarnish its reputation if it sells direct injection engines in our markets then craps out when fed with dirty fuel. Lexus does not want to risk that.............hence why our markets don't get direct injection models.
PS: Regarding the GS460, Middle East and ROW engine are the same! One has been detuned for marketing purposes.
Yes, the LS460 is the culprit in all this mess! Due to the DFI engines whereby the Middler East LS460's had to be detuned to cope with the sulfur content gas. Because of that, Lexus could not afford to have a GS that out performs it's flagship model.
All GS460's engines are EFI! Not DFI!
08-13-11, 01:17 AM
#3572
Lexus Champion
Btw, I've driven my very first Lexus last month (IS300 with MMC facelift) and my god, it is fast. 0-120 km/h in mere seconds and even on a sharp downhill, the car stayed in contact with the road. That's what six cylinders does to you.
Sure, it's no IS350 (with its 300 horses and beyond) but this IS300 with around 220 horsepower is fast.....for a six-cylinder car that has NO DIRECT INJECTION.
Btw, the hierarchy is still the same in terms of power and performance output:
IS350>IS300>IS250
For Middle East markets and some Asian countries, our IS300 is still faster than the IS250 (even if the latter has direct injection).
It's still a good deal that we are getting so no worries at all
P.S.
I'm shocked that some of your neighboring markets (like Oman and Qatar) still sell the GS430. I.e. they are not selling the GS460 at all.
I wonder why is that.
I guess those markets are just a dumping ground for the last of the GS430 models.
Last edited by Blackraven; 08-13-11 at 01:22 AM.
08-13-11, 01:59 PM
#3573
I have a hard time agreeing that Lexus needs a 500 hp halo sedan. But if ya'll are interested I certainly don't blame you nor would I blame Lexus for building it - and I'm okay with a 400hp version not being an F if it offers a sport suspension.
Maybe I missed it - but how many of you are seriously interested in buying an F? And keep in mind that if it has the 500 + hp engine ya'll want to compete with BMW and M-B, it's going to be a $90,000 car.
08-13-11, 05:00 PM
#3574
Moderator
08-13-11, 06:04 PM
#3575
Someone is always complaining about something. My prediction is Lexus will make a 465 hp GS-F for $80k, then they will say the HP is too low. When/if Lexus make a 500+ hp GS-F with a $100k+ MSRP and average 13 MPG just like the German's offerings, those same people that keep saying they wish Lexus do that would complain about it being too expensive with too low of MPG.
BMW corporate have said, folks in the U.S. keep saying they want a manual tranny car, and when they offer it, very few people buy one
08-13-11, 06:19 PM
#3576
I can't answer the question, but it would be interesting to see how the Infiniti M hybrid is doing. Typically these cars are overpriced.
I have a hard time agreeing that Lexus needs a 500 hp halo sedan. But if ya'll are interested I certainly don't blame you nor would I blame Lexus for building it - and I'm okay with a 400hp version not being an F if it offers a sport suspension.
Maybe I missed it - but how many of you are seriously interested in buying an F? And keep in mind that if it has the 500 + hp engine ya'll want to compete with BMW and M-B, it's going to be a $90,000 car.
I have a hard time agreeing that Lexus needs a 500 hp halo sedan. But if ya'll are interested I certainly don't blame you nor would I blame Lexus for building it - and I'm okay with a 400hp version not being an F if it offers a sport suspension.
Maybe I missed it - but how many of you are seriously interested in buying an F? And keep in mind that if it has the 500 + hp engine ya'll want to compete with BMW and M-B, it's going to be a $90,000 car.
i do want to get the new m5, but i also want to see what lexus has to offer
08-13-11, 06:55 PM
#3577
Lexus Champion
08-14-11, 10:20 AM
#3579
Pit Crew
I'm seriously interested in buying an F. The 4GSh and 350 mean nothing to me really. I'm only interested in an F model. If there is no GS-F, I'll look at the next gen IS-F. If it isn't offered or I'm not feeling it, I'll look forward to the Audi S7. I really would prefer a Lexus product though. Also not related, but I'm eagerly waiting for that Toyota FT-86, which should spawn a Lexus model. Anyway I look at it, I'm looking to get two new vehicles out of this whole ordeal.
Last edited by iggyhop9; 08-14-11 at 10:33 AM.
08-14-11, 10:49 AM
#3580
Lexus Fanatic
iTrader: (20)
well since you think this i guess not 'everyone' will be surprised then. 
we keep talking about F models, and lexus has had only ONE that was an internal skunkworks project (not in lexus roadmap until a small group made one). yes there's now an LFA but that's in a different league entirely (and while i LOVE the LFA, i still think it was a giant mistake and waste of time for Lexus to do).
lexus has to get the 4GS on the market, and hybrid, get the kinks worked out, and making/engineering a 4GS-F will be time-consuming and expen$ive with only a marketing halo benefit (it will likely sell in tiny numbers and lose money).
if we see a GS-F, i woudn't be surprised if it's not available until mid-2013 at least.
we keep talking about F models, and lexus has had only ONE that was an internal skunkworks project (not in lexus roadmap until a small group made one). yes there's now an LFA but that's in a different league entirely (and while i LOVE the LFA, i still think it was a giant mistake and waste of time for Lexus to do).
lexus has to get the 4GS on the market, and hybrid, get the kinks worked out, and making/engineering a 4GS-F will be time-consuming and expen$ive with only a marketing halo benefit (it will likely sell in tiny numbers and lose money).
if we see a GS-F, i woudn't be surprised if it's not available until mid-2013 at least.
08-14-11, 11:12 AM
#3582
That's why I firmly believe it will be nothing new or different from the IS-F, because they are not gonna to spend time or money on any brand new bits on a low volume seller.
Just look at the AMG C/E/S 63.........same identical mechanical shared.
You guys who lives in fantasy land that won't believe the GS-F will have the same engine as the IS-F.................wait til the LS-F comes out.......guess what, same engine again.....LOL.
Last edited by BNR34; 08-14-11 at 11:16 AM.
08-14-11, 12:03 PM
#3583
Lexus Champion
I'd **** bricks if Lexus ever made an LS-F Hybrid.
It's like the current LS600hL MINUS that fugly-*** hybrid front grille and they just transplant the body kits and parts from the LS Vertex Edition.
Holy **** man
It's like the current LS600hL MINUS that fugly-*** hybrid front grille and they just transplant the body kits and parts from the LS Vertex Edition.
Holy **** man
08-14-11, 02:49 PM
#3585
well since you think this i guess not 'everyone' will be surprised then.
we keep talking about F models, and lexus has had only ONE that was an internal skunkworks project (not in lexus roadmap until a small group made one). yes there's now an LFA but that's in a different league entirely (and while i LOVE the LFA, i still think it was a giant mistake and waste of time for Lexus to do).
lexus has to get the 4GS on the market, and hybrid, get the kinks worked out, and making/engineering a 4GS-F will be time-consuming and expen$ive with only a marketing halo benefit (it will likely sell in tiny numbers and lose money).
if we see a GS-F, i woudn't be surprised if it's not available until mid-2013 at least.
we keep talking about F models, and lexus has had only ONE that was an internal skunkworks project (not in lexus roadmap until a small group made one). yes there's now an LFA but that's in a different league entirely (and while i LOVE the LFA, i still think it was a giant mistake and waste of time for Lexus to do).
lexus has to get the 4GS on the market, and hybrid, get the kinks worked out, and making/engineering a 4GS-F will be time-consuming and expen$ive with only a marketing halo benefit (it will likely sell in tiny numbers and lose money).
if we see a GS-F, i woudn't be surprised if it's not available until mid-2013 at least.