4GS mega thread (UPDATED; preview drives, specs, more interior pics)
02-26-10, 05:29 AM
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The hybrid IS probably won't be a performance hybrid because it would cost as much as a GS if it were. Also it probably won't be heading to the US. The hybrid IS will probably be the new entry level IS in Europe once the IS220d gets phased out.
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02-26-10, 05:32 AM
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Why "should" Lexus follow the competition?
I disagree with such logic. Lexus should only follow the competition if it makes sense for Lexus, not simply follow them for the sake of following them.
Honda refuses to make a production V8, does that mean Toyota should follow Honda too?
If Lexus can make a fuel efficient V10, what is the point of going to a turbocharged V8? If they can't make a fuel efficient V10, then maybe something else will be needed.
All this idle speculation gets us nowhere.
Let's wait and see what Lexus comes up with.
I disagree with such logic. Lexus should only follow the competition if it makes sense for Lexus, not simply follow them for the sake of following them.
Honda refuses to make a production V8, does that mean Toyota should follow Honda too?
If Lexus can make a fuel efficient V10, what is the point of going to a turbocharged V8? If they can't make a fuel efficient V10, then maybe something else will be needed.
All this idle speculation gets us nowhere.
Let's wait and see what Lexus comes up with.
Also wouldn't it be cheaper for Lexus to strap a supercharger on the IS-F engine then to retune the LFA engine for a GS?
02-26-10, 05:32 AM
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I think this thread should be locked and left to die because the title is misleading to many forum followers, they will simply read the title and assume a certain future GS-F will have the LFA v10 and spread that rumor. Then when actual news comes out people will claim Lexus lied and we don't want that now do we?
Thats just what I think from a lot of speculation and rumors going around about Lexus cars that cause bad bad press.
Thats just what I think from a lot of speculation and rumors going around about Lexus cars that cause bad bad press.
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02-26-10, 06:55 AM
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But the IS 250 is horribly slow. The power of the 350 with the efficiency of the 250. Sounds like a win to me and the purpose of the first 3 Lexus hybrids.
02-26-10, 08:26 AM
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That wouldn't make sense because for one it would overlap with the IS350 performance-wise, secondly it would costs a few grand more than the IS350, and lastly efficiency probably wouldn't be that much better than the IS250.
The hybrid IS probably won't be a performance hybrid because it would cost as much as a GS if it were. Also it probably won't be heading to the US. The hybrid IS will probably be the new entry level IS in Europe once the IS220d gets phased out.
The hybrid IS probably won't be a performance hybrid because it would cost as much as a GS if it were. Also it probably won't be heading to the US. The hybrid IS will probably be the new entry level IS in Europe once the IS220d gets phased out.
and don't forget we have gs460 and gs450h. price about the same, gs450h performs better overall. i said about same performance of is350, not the same. key is it can't read anything like the isf, that would be silly on lexus part
02-26-10, 10:40 AM
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Yeah,
My point was that I believe that Lexus could use the CT200h (Prius) powertrain in the IS, by rotating the engine. Lexus already uses CVT's in RWD applications (GSh/LSh) so the transmission shouldn't be a problem, if Lexus were to use that engine.
That's what I'm talking about
Since the hybrid is going to probably replace the IS220d, it'll probably be an IS200h or something like that. It may or may not be sold here in the US though because of the HS, and because an IS200h would probably be too "underpowered" for most.
My point was that I believe that Lexus could use the CT200h (Prius) powertrain in the IS, by rotating the engine. Lexus already uses CVT's in RWD applications (GSh/LSh) so the transmission shouldn't be a problem, if Lexus were to use that engine.
That's what I'm talking about
Since the hybrid is going to probably replace the IS220d, it'll probably be an IS200h or something like that. It may or may not be sold here in the US though because of the HS, and because an IS200h would probably be too "underpowered" for most.
02-26-10, 11:18 AM
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Im thinking Lexus will drop an updated version of the 3GR-FSE into the IS at the redesign, giving it the same 245ish hp that the old GS 300 had. I don't think the 3.5L will require much change since it's already a class leading engine- perhaps valvematic and an updated version of VVT-i. A 7 or 8AT would be nice for gas mileage.
This would leave a great opportunity to pair the existing 2.5L V6 to a hybrid for something like an IS 3XXh, giving good power with great efficiency.
I guess now we should rename this thread to "3IS and 4GS discussion"
This would leave a great opportunity to pair the existing 2.5L V6 to a hybrid for something like an IS 3XXh, giving good power with great efficiency.
I guess now we should rename this thread to "3IS and 4GS discussion"
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02-26-10, 11:33 AM
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As far as power, the Prius powerplant would be perfect for the IS in Europe. The BMW 3 series there has petrol engine options as small as 1.8L with only 143hp. The diesel engines start at 1.6L with only 116hp.
In the US as I've said, I doubt we'll even have a hybrid IS. It wouldn't work on the low end because it would be too "underpowered", it wouldn't work in the mid-range because we have the HS, and it wouldn't work on the high end because it would be too pricey.
02-26-10, 11:39 AM
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Love the news title of this thread BTW
02-26-10, 11:48 AM
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Im thinking Lexus will drop an updated version of the 3GR-FSE into the IS at the redesign, giving it the same 245ish hp that the old GS 300 had. I don't think the 3.5L will require much change since it's already a class leading engine- perhaps valvematic and an updated version of VVT-i. A 7 or 8AT would be nice for gas mileage.
This would leave a great opportunity to pair the existing 2.5L V6 to a hybrid for something like an IS 3XXh, giving good power with great efficiency.
I guess now we should rename this thread to "3IS and 4GS discussion"
This would leave a great opportunity to pair the existing 2.5L V6 to a hybrid for something like an IS 3XXh, giving good power with great efficiency.
I guess now we should rename this thread to "3IS and 4GS discussion"
We also have to remember CAFE standards coming....a Hybrid IS 200/250 only makes sense.
02-26-10, 11:55 AM
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....course I guess my mom wins with the 400h. Haha. I just don't understand how with 200+ HP the IS isn't in the low 7's. It has a fair amount of torque. I really like Lexus, but I just don't really enjoy driving the 250.
02-26-10, 11:55 AM
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As far as I know, the engine that they used in the '06 GS 300 has simply been put on the shelf, though I think some versions of the Crown may use it in Japan.
02-26-10, 11:57 AM
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For someone that's so "knowledgeable" about this, you've done very little explaining why. I would honestly like to know.
As far as power, the Prius powerplant would be perfect for the IS in Europe. The BMW 3 series there has petrol engine options as small as 1.8L with only 143hp. The diesel engines start at 1.6L with only 116hp.
In the US as I've said, I doubt we'll even have a hybrid IS. It wouldn't work on the low end because it would be too "underpowered", it wouldn't work in the mid-range because we have the HS, and it wouldn't work on the high end because it would be too pricey.
As far as power, the Prius powerplant would be perfect for the IS in Europe. The BMW 3 series there has petrol engine options as small as 1.8L with only 143hp. The diesel engines start at 1.6L with only 116hp.
In the US as I've said, I doubt we'll even have a hybrid IS. It wouldn't work on the low end because it would be too "underpowered", it wouldn't work in the mid-range because we have the HS, and it wouldn't work on the high end because it would be too pricey.
Clear?