SNiiP3R

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After HS and other models, I'm more concerned about how the car is going to look rather than what Lexus put under the hood. I'd like to see some photos of the new GS first. Maybe the car is going to look so ugly that even a v10 with 600hp wont save it.

SLegacy99

Why was there no GS refresh? Or was there one that I didn't notice?

MPLexus301

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^There was one you didn't notice in '08.

FWIW, regarding all of this GSF talk: I have said it a few times before but I would like to see Lexus take an LFA-like approach with the car instead of just plugging the biggest engine they have under the hood and slapping an F badge on the back.

I would much prefer to see them put this carbon fiber technology to work on the hood, roof, trunk lid, etc and shave off a few hundred pounds and have a lighter car, as opposed to one that requires 550hp because it weighs 4300lbs. If they could keep the car around 3700-3800lbs then I think ~500hp would be perfectly fine...in fact, I would really prefer a lighter car with less power for a million reasons. The horsepower war is just a bandaid on the fact that cars are getting FAT. Look at how much the new 5 series weighs

bitkahuna

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you obviously haven't driven a GS450h which has SERIOUS and effortlessly smooth grunt! it's really amazing. i agree the trunk is stupidly small though.

wow, and how much do you think that would cost! i figure at another 5k just for those changes, not to mention the engine, suspension and other changes. that gs-f would be near m5 priced.

MPLexus301

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In this class of car, I don't think $4-5K is that much money if there is a considerable weight savings. I also recall Toyota saying that they were hoping to find ways to apply carbon fiber to more cars in the future, and make it more cost-effective.

The current E63 is $100,000 car and I'm sure the M5 won't be far off that number either. As of this generation, a GS 460 tops out around $63K when loaded and the 450h is a bit above that. If they are really planning to eliminate the V8 model, there is quite a gap between say, a ~$65K GS hybrid and an E63 or M5.

As a reference point, the base price for the ISF is about $20K more than the IS 350, and I would expect something similar for the GS- a $20K-$25K premium.

Och

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I have actually, and I was amazed. Maybe I didn't use the word grunt correctly, I meant more along the lines of the V8 roar

Koma

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That's my primary concern. I'm in total agreement that a V8 should be an option regardless of if it sells or not. Sure you can get a tuned exhaust for a V6 but there's no substitution for a V8 exhaust.

To be tier 1 you need options even if people don't buy them in droves. Options are LUXURY.

situman

By the time the GS-F hits the market, if it exists, I think LFA production would have wrapped up. By then, they will probably make a "LFB" of some sort with even more power. So if the "GS-F" makes 500 to 550 hp will not be an issue. Besides LFA owners dont care, even a 600hp GS whatevers will not measure up in terms of raw performance.

rominl

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lol, shouldn't the isf just stay for your wife?

08 was the facelift, pretty much all cosmetic changes

e63 and m5 both will be around 100k. for the gsf to get good traction in the market, it has to be 90k or lower to compete. the same analogy on the isf vs m3/c63 can apply. keep in mind, the msrp on the m5 and e63 is one thing, but when you look at the actual pricing structure, and most importantly that a lot of them are leased and how bmw/mb lease go, their prices will be very competitive (for example, leasing a isf vs m3, the m3 won't be necessarily more expensive)

BLAQ ICE

12 x 8, Half of the screen (6 x 8) will feature ipod, iphone integration the other half (6 x 8) will always display map, destination, etc....

BLAQ ICE

The 2011 GS arrives at dealers with no changes from the 2010 model, save for the new brake override system.

Next generation the 4th, GS350 is said to make a world debut at the Frankfurt Auto show September 2011.

For release in March/April 2012.

rominl

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yes, maybe time for split screen. just look at bmw, the new 5 series has a 10" screen, and they always have a split screen setup. 12" is definitely big, but can be pretty darn useful

SNiiP3R

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Well, if they are planning on adding a 12" screen, then that simply means that interior is getting bigger (finally). I just cant picture a 12" screen in my GS, just no where to put that thing

*Batman*

I find the 12" screen thing interesting. It must imply they are also launching a 7th gen infomatics system, since the 6th gen doesn't offer anything that takes advantage of a larger screen (e.g. split screen views, High-def 3D navigation with buildings on it, etc.)

The BMW 550i which I am considering for next year has a 10.6" wide-screen, has the 3D HD navigation with figuratively-correct building shapes, and uses a split screen so you can see your ipod or sat radio tuner on the left, and the nav screen on the right.

A 12" wide screen with this kind of functionality would be awesome, although I didn't know Lexus had that kind of tech.

Would also love to see a HUD.

rominl

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if it's up high on the dash and inset (like the rx), 12" isn't that bad. it has to do with optical illusion as well. when the screen is further inside, it doesn't look as big