4GS mega thread (UPDATED; preview drives, specs, more interior pics)
09-25-10, 12:45 AM
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however if i were to shop for one today? the 3gs will be considered but honestly not that high up on the list
09-28-10, 05:19 PM
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"The halo car marketing campaign will end sometime next year, company officials tell us -- just in time for Lexus to shift the focus to the redesigned GS. Perhaps, that sounds a bit odd, seeing as how the Lexus GS is the invisible midsize luxury sedan, but we're told the next car will have quite a bit more edge to it, at least in the styling and powertrain departments."
Source: InsideLine.
Source: InsideLine.
09-28-10, 06:49 PM
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From LexusEnthusiast.com
"◦GS: The next-generation GS will arrive in the spring of next year on a new shared platform and a longer wheelbase, while retaining the V6/V8/Hybrid powertrains. A GS-F has been prototype, but is not expected to make it to production. As for the styling, Automotive News says the “design of the GS will feature a long dash-to-axle ratio and a reprise of its signature stubby trunk, while the roofline will be a constant-radius swoop.”
◦IS: 2013 will see the debut of the third generation IS, which will be built on a shortened version of the GS’ shared platform.
◦LS: A redesign for the 2013 model year is expected, with a focus on reducing the weight generated by all the technology & safety features.
◦ES: Due to be redesigned as a 2012 model, the next-gen ES will be getting “more angular and active styling”, and may be offered in a hybrid.
◦HSh: Should the Prius receive a lithium battery pack in 2012, the HSh should follow.
◦SC: The next-generation SC will not be offered as a convertible.
◦LFA: A roadster version of the Lexus supercar could appear in 2014.
Most of these predictions summarize current rumors, with a few twists: No GS-F would be a disappointment, but the on-off nature of this V10 super-sedan means there’s no way to know for sure, just as there’s no way to guess if a LFA roadster will ever make it into production.
Also mentioned is the possibility of a brand new model:
VX: A seven-seat, car-based large crossover above the RX 350 is possible. Owners have told Lexus that towing is not as important as driveability and seating capacity. Lexus is studying a competitor to the BMW X6 crossover based on the next generation of the GS/IS platform.
With the RX straddling the line between small & large crossover classes, it’s hard to predict which side of the equation a new model would come up on. A large 7-seater may very well be in the works, but what about a smaller version of the RX instead?"
"◦GS: The next-generation GS will arrive in the spring of next year on a new shared platform and a longer wheelbase, while retaining the V6/V8/Hybrid powertrains. A GS-F has been prototype, but is not expected to make it to production. As for the styling, Automotive News says the “design of the GS will feature a long dash-to-axle ratio and a reprise of its signature stubby trunk, while the roofline will be a constant-radius swoop.”
◦IS: 2013 will see the debut of the third generation IS, which will be built on a shortened version of the GS’ shared platform.
◦LS: A redesign for the 2013 model year is expected, with a focus on reducing the weight generated by all the technology & safety features.
◦ES: Due to be redesigned as a 2012 model, the next-gen ES will be getting “more angular and active styling”, and may be offered in a hybrid.
◦HSh: Should the Prius receive a lithium battery pack in 2012, the HSh should follow.
◦SC: The next-generation SC will not be offered as a convertible.
◦LFA: A roadster version of the Lexus supercar could appear in 2014.
Most of these predictions summarize current rumors, with a few twists: No GS-F would be a disappointment, but the on-off nature of this V10 super-sedan means there’s no way to know for sure, just as there’s no way to guess if a LFA roadster will ever make it into production.
Also mentioned is the possibility of a brand new model:
VX: A seven-seat, car-based large crossover above the RX 350 is possible. Owners have told Lexus that towing is not as important as driveability and seating capacity. Lexus is studying a competitor to the BMW X6 crossover based on the next generation of the GS/IS platform.
With the RX straddling the line between small & large crossover classes, it’s hard to predict which side of the equation a new model would come up on. A large 7-seater may very well be in the works, but what about a smaller version of the RX instead?"
10-01-10, 02:49 PM
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From LexusEnthusiast.com
"◦GS: The next-generation GS will arrive in the spring of next year on a new shared platform and a longer wheelbase, while retaining the V6/V8/Hybrid powertrains. A GS-F has been prototype, but is not expected to make it to production. As for the styling, Automotive News says the “design of the GS will feature a long dash-to-axle ratio and a reprise of its signature stubby trunk, while the roofline will be a constant-radius swoop.”
◦IS: 2013 will see the debut of the third generation IS, which will be built on a shortened version of the GS’ shared platform.
◦LS: A redesign for the 2013 model year is expected, with a focus on reducing the weight generated by all the technology & safety features.
◦ES: Due to be redesigned as a 2012 model, the next-gen ES will be getting “more angular and active styling”, and may be offered in a hybrid.
◦HSh: Should the Prius receive a lithium battery pack in 2012, the HSh should follow.
◦SC: The next-generation SC will not be offered as a convertible.
◦LFA: A roadster version of the Lexus supercar could appear in 2014.
Most of these predictions summarize current rumors, with a few twists: No GS-F would be a disappointment, but the on-off nature of this V10 super-sedan means there’s no way to know for sure, just as there’s no way to guess if a LFA roadster will ever make it into production.
Also mentioned is the possibility of a brand new model:
VX: A seven-seat, car-based large crossover above the RX 350 is possible. Owners have told Lexus that towing is not as important as driveability and seating capacity. Lexus is studying a competitor to the BMW X6 crossover based on the next generation of the GS/IS platform.
With the RX straddling the line between small & large crossover classes, it’s hard to predict which side of the equation a new model would come up on. A large 7-seater may very well be in the works, but what about a smaller version of the RX instead?"
"◦GS: The next-generation GS will arrive in the spring of next year on a new shared platform and a longer wheelbase, while retaining the V6/V8/Hybrid powertrains. A GS-F has been prototype, but is not expected to make it to production. As for the styling, Automotive News says the “design of the GS will feature a long dash-to-axle ratio and a reprise of its signature stubby trunk, while the roofline will be a constant-radius swoop.”
◦IS: 2013 will see the debut of the third generation IS, which will be built on a shortened version of the GS’ shared platform.
◦LS: A redesign for the 2013 model year is expected, with a focus on reducing the weight generated by all the technology & safety features.
◦ES: Due to be redesigned as a 2012 model, the next-gen ES will be getting “more angular and active styling”, and may be offered in a hybrid.
◦HSh: Should the Prius receive a lithium battery pack in 2012, the HSh should follow.
◦SC: The next-generation SC will not be offered as a convertible.
◦LFA: A roadster version of the Lexus supercar could appear in 2014.
Most of these predictions summarize current rumors, with a few twists: No GS-F would be a disappointment, but the on-off nature of this V10 super-sedan means there’s no way to know for sure, just as there’s no way to guess if a LFA roadster will ever make it into production.
Also mentioned is the possibility of a brand new model:
VX: A seven-seat, car-based large crossover above the RX 350 is possible. Owners have told Lexus that towing is not as important as driveability and seating capacity. Lexus is studying a competitor to the BMW X6 crossover based on the next generation of the GS/IS platform.
With the RX straddling the line between small & large crossover classes, it’s hard to predict which side of the equation a new model would come up on. A large 7-seater may very well be in the works, but what about a smaller version of the RX instead?"
10-05-10, 05:42 AM
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Test Mule
The current Lexus GS luxury sedan has been on the market since the 2006 model year so it’s not surprising the 1st development test-mules for the next-generation model, due late next year, have been spotted. And the new car can’t come soon enough given the recent launch of the new Mercedes-Benz E-Class and BMW 5-Series, and the next-generation Audi A6 is just around the corner.
Hidden under the sheet metal of the current GS seen in these latest spy shots is a brand new platform, expected to be sportier and more efficient. Overall length is expected to shrink slightly, although the wheelbase should remain at 112.2 inches. The modified wheel arches seen here also suggest that a slightly wider track will be present on the new Lexus GS.
Fuel efficiency will be the name of the game for the 2012 Lexus GS, with a downsized V-6 engine expected to replace the current 3.5-liter mill as the entry-level option and the 3.5-liter engine going on to replace the current 4.6-liter V-8. A hybrid model will also return, most likely based around the entry-level V-6 engine.
Performance fans shouldn’t be too saddened over plans to scrap the regular V-8 model as a high-performance GS-F model will be offered for the 1st time. This car won’t pick up the high-revving 4.8-liter V-10 of the LFA supercar as previously reported, however.
Instead, it would pick up an uprated version of the 5.0-liter V-8 from the IS-F, developing around 450 horsepower and set to go on sale in 2013. Special features would include a torque vectoring differential on the rear axle and plenty of carbon-fiber to reduce weight.
10-05-10, 06:20 AM
#758
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Bleh, this is just pathetic.
BMW already offers twin turbo V8 and MB will soon too, and Lexus is reducing the displacement of the V6 as an answer? It seems to me like they are trying to kill the GS on purpose.
If they want to make a model below GS350, thats fine. But they still need to have a regular V8 GS to compete, perhaps with the 5.0 from the IS-F, and tuned for better low end torque.
If they make a GS-F with current IS-F engine, it wont be able to keep up with BMW 550 and wont hold a candle to the upcoming M5. Combined with stiff suspension and low profile tires, and probably an obnoxious price tag, its destined to be an epic fail. If they want it to compete it needs a boosted, highly tuned 5.0 V8.
Bleh, this is just pathetic.
BMW already offers twin turbo V8 and MB will soon too, and Lexus is reducing the displacement of the V6 as an answer? It seems to me like they are trying to kill the GS on purpose.
If they want to make a model below GS350, thats fine. But they still need to have a regular V8 GS to compete, perhaps with the 5.0 from the IS-F, and tuned for better low end torque.
If they make a GS-F with current IS-F engine, it wont be able to keep up with BMW 550 and wont hold a candle to the upcoming M5. Combined with stiff suspension and low profile tires, and probably an obnoxious price tag, its destined to be an epic fail. If they want it to compete it needs a boosted, highly tuned 5.0 V8.
10-05-10, 06:36 AM
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^Disappointing so far. And this is supposed to the first of Lexus's next-gen line-up.
Let's just hope they at least improve the biggest weakness of the current GS--the poor interior room and cargo space. If they can at least do that they'll at least get the basic sales numbers covered, although they'll be still embarrassing themselves with top-end models so uncompetitive like what's rumored above.
Let's just hope they at least improve the biggest weakness of the current GS--the poor interior room and cargo space. If they can at least do that they'll at least get the basic sales numbers covered, although they'll be still embarrassing themselves with top-end models so uncompetitive like what's rumored above.
10-05-10, 06:38 AM
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If they make a GS-F with current IS-F engine, it wont be able to keep up with BMW 550 and wont hold a candle to the upcoming M5. Combined with stiff suspension and low profile tires, and probably an obnoxious price tag, its destined to be an epic fail. If they want it to compete it needs a boosted, highly tuned 5.0 V8.
I don't see any reason why a 5.0L V8 GS wouldn't be able to keep up with the 550i? How do we know it's going to have stiff suspension, low profile tires, and an epic price tag?
Lot's of this:
...going on here
10-05-10, 07:06 AM
#762
Stiff suspension, low profile tires, and epic price tags all apply to IS-F, M3, C63, M5, E63, etc. What makes you think GS-F will be an exception?
10-05-10, 07:17 AM
#763
^ Mostly because there is no way that they would expect a 416hp V8 to compete with a 550hp TTV8.
Also, since when is the 5.0 known to lack low end torque? Maybe in comparison to the TT V8s from BMW, but that engine is pretty stout on the low end, IMO.
I am expecting to see a de/retuned 5.0L V8 as the E550/550i competitor, and then a blown version in the GSF. At this point it will require the ISF engine to be competitive with BMW's standard V8, as noted above.
That said, I keep hearing from more than one source that the V8 has been dropped all together, so I do truly hope that isn't the case. In that recent interview, Simon Humphries mentioned a more sport-oriented focus so I am hoping that these "V8 is dead" rumors are...just rumors.
Also, since when is the 5.0 known to lack low end torque? Maybe in comparison to the TT V8s from BMW, but that engine is pretty stout on the low end, IMO.
I am expecting to see a de/retuned 5.0L V8 as the E550/550i competitor, and then a blown version in the GSF. At this point it will require the ISF engine to be competitive with BMW's standard V8, as noted above.
That said, I keep hearing from more than one source that the V8 has been dropped all together, so I do truly hope that isn't the case. In that recent interview, Simon Humphries mentioned a more sport-oriented focus so I am hoping that these "V8 is dead" rumors are...just rumors.
