4GS mega thread (UPDATED; preview drives, specs, more interior pics)
10-06-10 | 10:15 AM
#811
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10-06-10 | 10:21 AM
#812
There simple HAS TO BE a V8 model. It's not all about sales numbers. The V6 version always sell more than the V8. This is nothing new. It's about image, and if they'd just go out of their way to make it a proper sports sedan like it ought to be, sales would be better. I'd be ecstatic if they could make it weigh 3600lbs, but that is what the current IS V6 weighs. Not a chance in hell I'd say. Surprise me Lexus.
I'd go as far as to say that it needs to outperform the M5. And, Yes, it needs to have a similar price. I'd speculate we could look as far as Lotus to see what motor the GS F could potentially use; a forced induction 2UR, ~540hp. Anything less would be unacceptable really.
I'd go as far as to say that it needs to outperform the M5. And, Yes, it needs to have a similar price. I'd speculate we could look as far as Lotus to see what motor the GS F could potentially use; a forced induction 2UR, ~540hp. Anything less would be unacceptable really.
regarding performance, to be very honest, if lexus put out a gsf, i am not sure if it will outperform m5. but at the same time, i don't think that's what lexus should truly aim for. bmw m goes for track performance. mb amg goes for brute force. seeing the isf, i think lexus can continue to provide a good blend of everything. i think that would be the best position for them
10-06-10 | 10:27 AM
#814
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10-06-10 | 01:02 PM
#815
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false. the ES follows the camry 5 year cycle. the GS is on a 7 year cycle.
new ES will be 2012 model.
GS will be 2013 model.
i don't think that's the hybrid mule.
it looks more like an AWD mule based on huge wheel gap in the front.
also, the hybrid has special tail lights with a transparent cover.
Last edited by dunnojack; 10-06-10 at 01:08 PM.
10-06-10 | 01:09 PM
#817
I dont think we'll see a redesigned GS in 2012. It looks like another facelift to me.. Ive posted this image in 3GS section, take a look
Also, those cut outs are probably not for quad exhaust, but for something similar to an LS.
Also, those cut outs are probably not for quad exhaust, but for something similar to an LS.
10-06-10 | 02:17 PM
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A lot of sources said the new GS will feature some common traits with this current model. So nothing is out of the tables just yet. Testing a new bumper and some taped over bits is not going to conclude that were just seeing a refresh. They could just be testing new components ...no one knows
10-06-10 | 02:38 PM
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I dont think we'll see a redesigned GS in 2012. It looks like another facelift to me.. Ive posted this image in 3GS section, take a look
[IMG]http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/476/gsmule1.jpg[/IMG
Also, those cut outs are probably not for quad exhaust, but for something similar to an LS.
[IMG]http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/476/gsmule1.jpg[/IMG
Also, those cut outs are probably not for quad exhaust, but for something similar to an LS.
2012 being the final year, I doubt they'll do a facelift or anything at all. They had their chance in 2011, and they chose to keep everything the same as 2008.
i see it as nothing more than an early mule for the 4GS with certain design elements that might show up on the next gen.
I'm guessing the 4GS is going for a more chiseled appearance.
10-06-10 | 03:58 PM
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There are virtually no differences for it to be a facelift. The headlights, taillights, bumper designs are the same. The only explanation is that Lexus is testing the new GS by using the current GS body. Lexus has done this before on its test mules. Look at the bumpers and you can see that all that tape which is masking the wider bumper to accommodate the increased track of the new platform.
10-06-10 | 04:46 PM
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Also, here is a post of a similar IS test mule. Running the same exact plates!!
Looks to me we are at the beginning stages of a MY 2013 IS & GS re-launch, sometime late in 2012.
Millions of dollars are spent on refreshes and I highly doubt we are getting a 1 year refresh on the current 2011 IS that was just released for sale..
or even a possible GS refresh, is just not making sense right now..
According to my sources deep in the mountains of Japan, the GS-F is coming.....
Best Regards,
Joe Z
Not much to see here, but enough to get me excited 
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/10/06/s...es-the-rounds/
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/10/06/s...es-the-rounds/
10-06-10 | 05:14 PM
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10-06-10 | 05:56 PM
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i think a lot of you are paying way too much attention on the exterior. i am not saying that it can't be a facelift, but after so many years looking at all the spy / prototype / test car pictures, it's nothing more than everyone's guess.
what i can say is, a lot of times, companies started testing internal (meaning engine, drivetrain, etc...) first. they don't necessarily need a new exterior to test that, and in fact doing it on a almost current model looking car is perfect, coz' that won't draw as much attention
what i can say is, a lot of times, companies started testing internal (meaning engine, drivetrain, etc...) first. they don't necessarily need a new exterior to test that, and in fact doing it on a almost current model looking car is perfect, coz' that won't draw as much attention