4GS mega thread (UPDATED; preview drives, specs, more interior pics)
10-12-10, 06:15 PM
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From my "understanding" the design will have more flair than the current GS in regards to design and use of environmentally sound materials. A priority has been made in the use of stitching, leather and build quality with use of softer plastics. I have also heard some sort of "trick" gauge cluster whatever that means.
Toyota is debuting something called "intuit" which is their version of Ford sync but supposedly better. I assume the GS will be the first Lexus to also debut some sort of integrated technology piece in regards to phone, GPS, music,Lexus Enform, etc.
Toyota is debuting something called "intuit" which is their version of Ford sync but supposedly better. I assume the GS will be the first Lexus to also debut some sort of integrated technology piece in regards to phone, GPS, music,Lexus Enform, etc.
.Conceptually this sounds great. I hope intuit is based on either Microsoft or Google tech. I am skeptical that Toyota can develop their own voice recognition software and OS and have it be better than Microsoft or Google. Adding features like what KIA did with their version of Sync makes sense.
Also environmentally sound materials sounds worrying too. I interpret that as bio-degradeable, which makes me think the dash will start to weaken over time resulting in noises and visible wear. I remember all the electrical issues Mercedes had back when they used bio-degradeable wiring. The problem is the test mules aren't driven for 5 years so they don't notice these issues till its too late.
Use of more leather, wood, french stitching sounds fantastic. I would hope the whole dash is leather covered like in the LS600 and Jag XF, or at least stitched synthetic leather like the Cadillac CTS.
Also environmentally sound materials sounds worrying too. I interpret that as bio-degradeable, which makes me think the dash will start to weaken over time resulting in noises and visible wear. I remember all the electrical issues Mercedes had back when they used bio-degradeable wiring. The problem is the test mules aren't driven for 5 years so they don't notice these issues till its too late.
Use of more leather, wood, french stitching sounds fantastic. I would hope the whole dash is leather covered like in the LS600 and Jag XF, or at least stitched synthetic leather like the Cadillac CTS.
10-12-10, 09:11 PM
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Where do you get that info from? When did I say they should use a bunch of carbon fiber? They don't have to use CF to save weight. Lighter weight can be used in the chassis with different metals and alloys. The interior could save weight with lighter seats, different materials used, less sound deadening etc. Lighter wheels, lighter body panels, different engine materials... you get the picture.
10-12-10, 10:59 PM
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Don't know exactly where to post this.
But since the CT200h hybrid is having this "mouse-like" feature to navigate through the dash, instead of it being Touch Screen.
Does that mean that we can expect all future models, including the new GS and IS body's to have the same mouse-like feature?
But since the CT200h hybrid is having this "mouse-like" feature to navigate through the dash, instead of it being Touch Screen.
Does that mean that we can expect all future models, including the new GS and IS body's to have the same mouse-like feature?
10-12-10, 11:35 PM
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Don't know exactly where to post this.
But since the CT200h hybrid is having this "mouse-like" feature to navigate through the dash, instead of it being Touch Screen.
Does that mean that we can expect all future models, including the new GS and IS body's to have the same mouse-like feature?
But since the CT200h hybrid is having this "mouse-like" feature to navigate through the dash, instead of it being Touch Screen.
Does that mean that we can expect all future models, including the new GS and IS body's to have the same mouse-like feature?
10-12-10, 11:43 PM
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I use a mighty mouse (apple), and I'm hoping that the feel is somewhat similar to what I have, without the multitouch interface.
10-13-10, 07:37 AM
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it feels fine...even "clicks" to icons. the problem will be typing in addresses, plus it's just easier/faster to touch the screen to do what you want. which is where I think they're trying to sell their "eDestination" service that must be paid for after the initial trial period.
10-13-10, 02:34 PM
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If it is a sync variant, it will be a touchscreen system, as sync really depends on that model for the human interface. Android has the same model. Basically anything designed for portable devices these days is touch based.
I haven't heard anything about this "intuit" system - does anyone have any pointers on it?
10-13-10, 03:00 PM
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the info says it's going to be 12" wide screen (not 6x4). look at the new 5 series, it has a 10.5" wide screen and you can see how wide it is. the gs is in the same league and if it's going to be 12" wide screen, fitting is down south and i don't see how it's going to fit in the console.
10-13-10, 06:11 PM
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Toyota to Offer Lexus Rebates to Spur Brand's U.S. Sales
By MIKE RAMSEY
LAS VEGAS—Toyota Motor Corp. plans to offer rebates of up to $3,000 as well as subsidized financing on certain models in its Lexus brand as part of a drive to help the luxury brand goose sales and pass rival Mercedes-Benz by the end of the year, according to two people briefed by the company at a dealer meeting here.
Lexus has been the top-selling luxury make in the U.S. market for more than a decade but has fallen behind Mercedes this year. In the first nine months of 2010, Lexus has sold 162,438 vehicles, just behind Mercedes's total of 165,362.
At a gathering of Lexus dealers from across the country–the first such meeting in two years—company executives said Toyota is prepared to boost incentives in the next few weeks to spur sales, these people said. The incentives will low-interest financing and subsidized leases in addition to rebates, they said.
The meeting included an address by Toyota Chief Executive Akio Toyoda and was designed to fire up dealers after a rough year. Toyota and Lexus suffered sales slumps after quality and safety problems flared up earlier this year that were related to complaints some of their vehicles had a tendency to accelerate suddenly on their own.
Toyota eventually recalled more than eight million vehicles to fix problems with floor mats and gas pedals, and was ordered by U.S. regulators to pay a fine of $16.4 million, the maximum possible, for failing to report safety defects promptly enough.
Lexus's sales have increased just 8.7% so far this year, while the overall market has grown 10.3% and Mercedes's sales have jumped 21.3%.
Lexus is still ringing up strong sales of its RX sport-utility vehicle, but increasing numbers of consumers have come to see the look of some other Lexus models as uninspiring.
In Las Vegas, people briefed by Toyota said, dealers were told Lexus is planning a new advertising spots showing an RX 350 on top of a copy machine spitting out pictures of Mercedes and BMW models–implying competitors are trying to follow Lexus in the luxury SUV segment.
Dealers were also shown a version of the 2013 Lexus GS sedan, which will be redesigned for that model year, these people said.
Toyota's leadership also is intent on appealing to younger buyers and is making a push in that direction. The average Lexus owner is 59 years old. Mercedes-Benz customers are 54 and BMW owners are 52 on average, according to Strategic Vision.
Lexus' efforts to gain more younger buyers can be seen in the new CT 200h, a five-door compact hybrid that will go on sale early next year in the U.S. Lexus also begins delivering its $375,000 carbon-fiber-wrapped LFA in January. The super sports car is a personal project of Mr. Toyoda, who is trying to put more juice in the auto maker's designs and powertrains.
By MIKE RAMSEY
LAS VEGAS—Toyota Motor Corp. plans to offer rebates of up to $3,000 as well as subsidized financing on certain models in its Lexus brand as part of a drive to help the luxury brand goose sales and pass rival Mercedes-Benz by the end of the year, according to two people briefed by the company at a dealer meeting here.
Lexus has been the top-selling luxury make in the U.S. market for more than a decade but has fallen behind Mercedes this year. In the first nine months of 2010, Lexus has sold 162,438 vehicles, just behind Mercedes's total of 165,362.
At a gathering of Lexus dealers from across the country–the first such meeting in two years—company executives said Toyota is prepared to boost incentives in the next few weeks to spur sales, these people said. The incentives will low-interest financing and subsidized leases in addition to rebates, they said.
The meeting included an address by Toyota Chief Executive Akio Toyoda and was designed to fire up dealers after a rough year. Toyota and Lexus suffered sales slumps after quality and safety problems flared up earlier this year that were related to complaints some of their vehicles had a tendency to accelerate suddenly on their own.
Toyota eventually recalled more than eight million vehicles to fix problems with floor mats and gas pedals, and was ordered by U.S. regulators to pay a fine of $16.4 million, the maximum possible, for failing to report safety defects promptly enough.
Lexus's sales have increased just 8.7% so far this year, while the overall market has grown 10.3% and Mercedes's sales have jumped 21.3%.
Lexus is still ringing up strong sales of its RX sport-utility vehicle, but increasing numbers of consumers have come to see the look of some other Lexus models as uninspiring.
In Las Vegas, people briefed by Toyota said, dealers were told Lexus is planning a new advertising spots showing an RX 350 on top of a copy machine spitting out pictures of Mercedes and BMW models–implying competitors are trying to follow Lexus in the luxury SUV segment.
Dealers were also shown a version of the 2013 Lexus GS sedan, which will be redesigned for that model year, these people said.
Toyota's leadership also is intent on appealing to younger buyers and is making a push in that direction. The average Lexus owner is 59 years old. Mercedes-Benz customers are 54 and BMW owners are 52 on average, according to Strategic Vision.
Lexus' efforts to gain more younger buyers can be seen in the new CT 200h, a five-door compact hybrid that will go on sale early next year in the U.S. Lexus also begins delivering its $375,000 carbon-fiber-wrapped LFA in January. The super sports car is a personal project of Mr. Toyoda, who is trying to put more juice in the auto maker's designs and powertrains.
10-14-10, 01:11 AM
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I'm not sure that you have to push it up and out of the way to make it fit. If they are redoing the dashboard, it can be placed in a way to make the 12" screen very accessible. But it depends on what your goals are.
If it is a sync variant, it will be a touchscreen system, as sync really depends on that model for the human interface. Android has the same model. Basically anything designed for portable devices these days is touch based.
I haven't heard anything about this "intuit" system - does anyone have any pointers on it?
If it is a sync variant, it will be a touchscreen system, as sync really depends on that model for the human interface. Android has the same model. Basically anything designed for portable devices these days is touch based.
I haven't heard anything about this "intuit" system - does anyone have any pointers on it?
He wasn't president when 4GS development started so I don't think he made a huge impact on the 4GS. However, like the ISF and LFA I'm sure he had a lot of involvement with the GSF.
