4GS mega thread (UPDATED; preview drives, specs, more interior pics)
#1186
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Since other cars are mentioned here, lets see some sales numbers:
November 2010 Sales:
1. BMW 5-Series - 5,042
2. Mercedes-Ben E-Class - 4,986
3. Infiniti-M - 1,112
4. Lincoln MKS - 1,110
5. Jaguar XF - 973
6. Audi A6/S6 - 812
7. Lexus GS - 486
8. Cadillac STS -307
9. Volvo S80 - 288
10. Acura RL- 168
11. Saab 9-5 - N/A
Look at the Infiniti M.....
November 2010 Sales:
1. BMW 5-Series - 5,042
2. Mercedes-Ben E-Class - 4,986
3. Infiniti-M - 1,112
4. Lincoln MKS - 1,110
5. Jaguar XF - 973
6. Audi A6/S6 - 812
7. Lexus GS - 486
8. Cadillac STS -307
9. Volvo S80 - 288
10. Acura RL- 168
11. Saab 9-5 - N/A
Look at the Infiniti M.....
Whats impressive is the Jag XF since it is a V-8 model only with a tiny dealer network and the MSRP is higher than most of these cars (they recently unveiled a $599 lease).
#1187
Since other cars are mentioned here, lets see some sales numbers:
November 2010 Sales:
1. BMW 5-Series - 5,042
2. Mercedes-Ben E-Class - 4,986
3. Infiniti-M - 1,112
4. Lincoln MKS - 1,110
5. Jaguar XF - 973
6. Audi A6/S6 - 812
7. Lexus GS - 486
8. Cadillac STS -307
9. Volvo S80 - 288
10. Acura RL- 168
11. Saab 9-5 - N/A
Look at the Infiniti M.....
November 2010 Sales:
1. BMW 5-Series - 5,042
2. Mercedes-Ben E-Class - 4,986
3. Infiniti-M - 1,112
4. Lincoln MKS - 1,110
5. Jaguar XF - 973
6. Audi A6/S6 - 812
7. Lexus GS - 486
8. Cadillac STS -307
9. Volvo S80 - 288
10. Acura RL- 168
11. Saab 9-5 - N/A
Look at the Infiniti M.....
Just curious, as I find Volvo and Saab out of place in this list...do you guys consider them as competitors in the luxury car market? For me they are a class below, maybe premium cars, but no more than that....
#1188
Since other cars are mentioned here, lets see some sales numbers:
November 2010 Sales:
1. BMW 5-Series - 5,042
2. Mercedes-Ben E-Class - 4,986
3. Infiniti-M - 1,112
4. Lincoln MKS - 1,110
5. Jaguar XF - 973
6. Audi A6/S6 - 812
7. Lexus GS - 486
8. Cadillac STS -307
9. Volvo S80 - 288
10. Acura RL- 168
11. Saab 9-5 - N/A
Look at the Infiniti M.....
November 2010 Sales:
1. BMW 5-Series - 5,042
2. Mercedes-Ben E-Class - 4,986
3. Infiniti-M - 1,112
4. Lincoln MKS - 1,110
5. Jaguar XF - 973
6. Audi A6/S6 - 812
7. Lexus GS - 486
8. Cadillac STS -307
9. Volvo S80 - 288
10. Acura RL- 168
11. Saab 9-5 - N/A
Look at the Infiniti M.....
Can you show us a line chart trending this for the last 10 years?
#1189
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Won't be making an excel sheet anytime soon. If you or anyone else wants to try, you can search each month in the title under "Car chat" and find the sales threads easily. I think we've done it for about 6 years now maybe a little longer.
#1190
How is it that there is not 1 spy pic of a car that is slated to be released in 2012 as a 2013 model ? I would think it would be debuted within the next 12 months at the latest at the 2011 LA auto show.....
#1191
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It was just like this for the 1GS, 2GS and 3GSWe got our first 3GS spy pics from Lexus with shots of it at the Nurburgring with the emblems covered lol.
#1192
#1193
So far we have seen spy pics of 4GS development mules undergoing testing with modified 3GS bodies. We have not yet seen any spy pics of the 4GS with the final production body yet.
Due to intensifying competition, and also some confidential company information that was stolen by a few former employees and later brought over to direct competitors, Toyota is more secretive than ever. This is with good reason.
Years ago, months before the current Camry debuted, a few pictures leaked of the Camry from a Toyota dealer meeting. Now the next-gen Camry is debuting very soon, and not a single picture has been leaked. You can tell Toyota is tighter than ever in terms of security when it comes to future products.
#1196
about the price, the web site says it starts at 49K INCLUDING a 7500 tax credit, so base price is actually 56.5k i guess, and don't those 7500 tax credits only cover a certain qty of sales per year?
about the range, it has diff. battery packs from 160 to 300 mile range. i bet the entry model won't have 300 mile range.
besides the above, and that it's vapor until 2012, the car is all aluminum so i expect it to be a lot more expensive than a GS, but we'll see.\
but if it's as you say, then the GS would be toast, right?
about the range, it has diff. battery packs from 160 to 300 mile range. i bet the entry model won't have 300 mile range.
besides the above, and that it's vapor until 2012, the car is all aluminum so i expect it to be a lot more expensive than a GS, but we'll see.\
but if it's as you say, then the GS would be toast, right?
Tesla makes very nice vehicles, but they have the huge issue of coming with an outrageous price due to their low volume. A fully loaded Roadster Sport 2.5 is $160k. $160k today can buy you some insanely nice gas power car that would smoke that Roadster hard in everyways.......V10 R8, V8 Vantage, 997 Turbo S......etc.
#1197
Hi Everyone! Just been at the dealer for tire sensor change (second in a row) and had a little disucssion with the guys there. They told me that the 4GS will come in q1 2012 (at least here in Europe). There will be two hybrids, one for economy with a 2.4L petrol and around 200bhp and one for performance exceeding the present at around 400bhp. The styling will be more or less the same as the present but the front lights will be more like the LS's and they will stay under one glass instead of the two per side of the 2GS and 3GS. The trunk will be large as they will use a different technology for the batteries - no Li-Ion - which takes less spaces and will be a big hit for the market. They think that the Li-Ion batteries used by Merc and BMW are a dead-end and they will have serious problems after the first one-two years. Can't wait to see pictures hope that they will not ruin the design.
Hope that this info is interesting for you.
Best,
Sz
Hope that this info is interesting for you.
Best,
Sz
#1199
This might explain why they never sorted out the rattles, and why they have a completely misinformed view of how effective the car's voice recognition is.
#1200
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Because they are not planning to do extensive road testing like the Germans do. They prefer to test on indoor driving rigs.
This might explain why they never sorted out the rattles, and why they have a completely misinformed view of how effective the car's voice recognition is.
This might explain why they never sorted out the rattles, and why they have a completely misinformed view of how effective the car's voice recognition is.
Also Mr. Toyoda is having a new driving facility built that emphasizes sport.
Hi Everyone! Just been at the dealer for tire sensor change (second in a row) and had a little disucssion with the guys there. They told me that the 4GS will come in q1 2012 (at least here in Europe). There will be two hybrids, one for economy with a 2.4L petrol and around 200bhp and one for performance exceeding the present at around 400bhp. The styling will be more or less the same as the present but the front lights will be more like the LS's and they will stay under one glass instead of the two per side of the 2GS and 3GS. The trunk will be large as they will use a different technology for the batteries - no Li-Ion - which takes less spaces and will be a big hit for the market. They think that the Li-Ion batteries used by Merc and BMW are a dead-end and they will have serious problems after the first one-two years. Can't wait to see pictures hope that they will not ruin the design.
Hope that this info is interesting for you.
Best,
Sz
Hope that this info is interesting for you.
Best,
Sz
If they drop the V-8, it makes sense to offer a base hybrid, then base V-6, then a high power V-6 hybrid then a GS F. Won't please some people but to me its better than just offering one high power hybrid like today.