4GS mega thread (UPDATED; preview drives, specs, more interior pics)
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They fix your brakes with the lower performance pads? I had the same thing done, but to me, I dont consider that a fix.
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i will also add, the ml system in the gs is sub par (by ml standard), i am not too thrilled about it compared to say the 2is (not to mention 4ls).
but it's still noticeably better than the stock premium system.
i wouldn't call it a 2k option though, that's not fair coz' 2k includes the ml and navigation
but it's still noticeably better than the stock premium system.
i wouldn't call it a 2k option though, that's not fair coz' 2k includes the ml and navigation
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not sure about pads, i am in europe... i dont notice any particular difference in performance.
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i will also add, the ml system in the gs is sub par (by ml standard), i am not too thrilled about it compared to say the 2is (not to mention 4ls).
but it's still noticeably better than the stock premium system.
i wouldn't call it a 2k option though, that's not fair coz' 2k includes the ml and navigation
but it's still noticeably better than the stock premium system.
i wouldn't call it a 2k option though, that's not fair coz' 2k includes the ml and navigation
So with tax and interest if financed,it's about $2K more for ML.
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http://www.lexus.com/models/GS/features/pricing.html
and it says about 2000 for nav + ml. never figure out how to read that page
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I had the nav option as well, I negociated the invoice price on the nav option, I believe its few hundreds less than $1850, but the nav option was a disappointment as well with all the lockouts.
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really? this is really confusing. i was looking at
http://www.lexus.com/models/GS/features/pricing.html
and it says about 2000 for nav + ml. never figure out how to read that page
http://www.lexus.com/models/GS/features/pricing.html
and it says about 2000 for nav + ml. never figure out how to read that page
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WL Wheel Locks info N/A N/A
LM Trunk Mat info N/A N/A
-- All-Weather Floor Mats info N/A N/A
GN Cargo Net info N/A N/A
-- Rear Spoiler info N/A N/A
MV Mark Levinson Audio/Navigation Package info $3,630 $2,979
PS Pre-Collision System w/Adaptive Cruise Control info $2,850 $2,280
NV Navigation System info $1,850 $1,555
FL All-Season Run Flats Tires w/o Spare info $1,190 $952
MZ Lexus Link info $900 $760
FW Summer Tire w/18" Wheel and Spare info $870 $696
IT Interior Accents Package info $810 $648
CS Adaptive Variable Suspension info $620 $496
T RS Rain-Sensing Wipers info $525 $420
T WO Intuitive Park Assist info $500 $400
T LS Wood & Leather Steering Wheel info $330 $264
SS Power Rear Sunshade info $210 $168
T VS Ventilated Front Seats info $200 $160
T RF Rear Spoiler info $200 $160
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Anyway the reason why they really need to up the horsepower isn't because the last GSh was slow. It's because the Infiniti M hybrid is coming with upwards of 370hp. Lexus needs to beat Infiniti on horsepower and performance as well as beating them on efficiency if they want the GSh to still be relevant.
Also as far as price is concerned, it probably should be positioned above the V8 model since it's faster and it should also be more powerful than the V8 model. $60K would make it sit nicely between the base V6 and the F model.
I don't expect the hybrid or the F model to sell in high numbers even if it were more efficient. Lexus should save the RX setup for an ESh and take the GSh to the next level (btw an ESh would be more like $45K nicely equipped
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I don't think Lexus is going to make the same mistake they did with the current GSh where it is obvious people in this market don't want to pay a bunch more for the hybrid version that does not get great fuel economy but has the higher hp numbers. There is little to no market for expensive hybrid versions that are more acceleration oriented then fuel economy oriented. A smaller engined version that gets much better fuel economy and is not too much more then the base version makes much more sense and there is a much bigger market for that type of hybrid.
I don't think Lexus or really any company these days can really afford to do a expensive poor selling hybrid version with high hp numbers on any new models just for bragging rights.
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I doubt Lexus cares much what Infiniti does with the M or its hybrid powertrain and doubt they will playing hp wars with a less recognized brand like Infiniti especially with looming CAFE, fuel prices, and the economy. Lexus does not need big hp numbers or great handling to sell cars where Infiniti does. Yes the current M does sell better then the GS but that has much to do with the M being reviewed so well, placing high on Consumer reports while the GS was put on the not recommended list, having much more interior/headroom, better deals on the M, so so styling on the GS, etc. If Lexus comes out with a good looking GS that addresses the faults of the current GS which I am sure they will then the GS is going to sell better then the M no matter how much hp the M has.
I don't think Lexus is going to make the same mistake they did with the current GSh where it is obvious people in this market don't want to pay a bunch more for the hybrid version that does not get great fuel economy but has the higher hp numbers. There is little to no market for expensive hybrid versions that are more acceleration oriented then fuel economy oriented. A smaller engined version that gets much better fuel economy and is not too much more then the base version makes much more sense and there is a much bigger market for that type of hybrid.
I don't think Lexus or really any company these days can really afford to do a expensive poor selling hybrid version with high hp numbers on any new models just for bragging rights.
I don't think Lexus is going to make the same mistake they did with the current GSh where it is obvious people in this market don't want to pay a bunch more for the hybrid version that does not get great fuel economy but has the higher hp numbers. There is little to no market for expensive hybrid versions that are more acceleration oriented then fuel economy oriented. A smaller engined version that gets much better fuel economy and is not too much more then the base version makes much more sense and there is a much bigger market for that type of hybrid.
I don't think Lexus or really any company these days can really afford to do a expensive poor selling hybrid version with high hp numbers on any new models just for bragging rights.
I think the article as a whole is a joke. They need to do something to up the power on the 250, such as make a hybrid, if they really want it in the GS. It is pretty sluggish in the IS already. What I'm really hoping for is a GS500h w/about 380-400hp (maybe using the same engine w/more electric?) and a little bit better fuel economy.
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I doubt Lexus cares much what Infiniti does with the M or its hybrid powertrain and doubt they will playing hp wars with a less recognized brand like Infiniti especially with looming CAFE, fuel prices, and the economy. Lexus does not need big hp numbers or great handling to sell cars where Infiniti does. Yes the current M does sell better then the GS but that has much to do with the M being reviewed so well, placing high on Consumer reports while the GS was put on the not recommended list, having much more interior/headroom, better deals on the M, so so styling on the GS, etc. If Lexus comes out with a good looking GS that addresses the faults of the current GS which I am sure they will then the GS is going to sell better then the M no matter how much hp the M has.
I don't think Lexus is going to make the same mistake they did with the current GSh where it is obvious people in this market don't want to pay a bunch more for the hybrid version that does not get great fuel economy but has the higher hp numbers. There is little to no market for expensive hybrid versions that are more acceleration oriented then fuel economy oriented. A smaller engined version that gets much better fuel economy and is not too much more then the base version makes much more sense and there is a much bigger market for that type of hybrid.
I don't think Lexus or really any company these days can really afford to do a expensive poor selling hybrid version with high hp numbers on any new models just for bragging rights.
I don't think Lexus is going to make the same mistake they did with the current GSh where it is obvious people in this market don't want to pay a bunch more for the hybrid version that does not get great fuel economy but has the higher hp numbers. There is little to no market for expensive hybrid versions that are more acceleration oriented then fuel economy oriented. A smaller engined version that gets much better fuel economy and is not too much more then the base version makes much more sense and there is a much bigger market for that type of hybrid.
I don't think Lexus or really any company these days can really afford to do a expensive poor selling hybrid version with high hp numbers on any new models just for bragging rights.
I've read some people clearly not checking facts trying to say the M35/45 has always outsold the GS but they are completely wrong.
We know the GS has outsold in the 1990s as it was discontinued. The 3GS and M35/45 debuted the same month of February back in 2005. The GS outsold the M 35/45 in 05/06/07/08 .For 2009, the M finally will outsell the GS but both are now selling poorly,
2005
GS- 33,457
M35/45-24,000
2006
GS-27,390
M35/45-25,658
2007
GS-23,381
M35/45-21,884
2008
GS- 15,759
M35/45- 15,618
2009
M 35/45-7,693
GS 6,377
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We know the GS has outsold in the 1990s as it was discontinued. The 3GS and M35/45 debuted the same month of February back in 2005. The GS outsold the M 35/45 in 05/06/07/08 .For 2009, the M finally will outsell the GS but both are now selling poorly,
2005
GS- 33,457
M35/45-24,000
2006
GS-27,390
M35/45-25,658
2007
GS-23,381
M35/45-21,884
2008
GS- 15,759
M35/45- 15,618
2009
M 35/45-7,693
GS 6,377
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You are wrong about the GSh b/c IT WAS ALWAYS a limited production vehicle. It still is the first and only in its class. They stated this from day one, only 2,000 units max were coming here. I am not going to sit here and type it is some highly desirable vehicle as I would be lying but to compare it to something it never was meant to be, a volume car, is WRONG.
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I doubt Lexus cares much what Infiniti does with the M or its hybrid powertrain and doubt they will playing hp wars with a less recognized brand like Infiniti especially with looming CAFE, fuel prices, and the economy. Lexus does not need big hp numbers or great handling to sell cars where Infiniti does. Yes the current M does sell better then the GS but that has much to do with the M being reviewed so well, placing high on Consumer reports while the GS was put on the not recommended list, having much more interior/headroom, better deals on the M, so so styling on the GS, etc. If Lexus comes out with a good looking GS that addresses the faults of the current GS which I am sure they will then the GS is going to sell better then the M no matter how much hp the M has.
I don't think Lexus is going to make the same mistake they did with the current GSh where it is obvious people in this market don't want to pay a bunch more for the hybrid version that does not get great fuel economy but has the higher hp numbers. There is little to no market for expensive hybrid versions that are more acceleration oriented then fuel economy oriented. A smaller engined version that gets much better fuel economy and is not too much more then the base version makes much more sense and there is a much bigger market for that type of hybrid.
I don't think Lexus or really any company these days can really afford to do a expensive poor selling hybrid version with high hp numbers on any new models just for bragging rights.
I don't think Lexus is going to make the same mistake they did with the current GSh where it is obvious people in this market don't want to pay a bunch more for the hybrid version that does not get great fuel economy but has the higher hp numbers. There is little to no market for expensive hybrid versions that are more acceleration oriented then fuel economy oriented. A smaller engined version that gets much better fuel economy and is not too much more then the base version makes much more sense and there is a much bigger market for that type of hybrid.
I don't think Lexus or really any company these days can really afford to do a expensive poor selling hybrid version with high hp numbers on any new models just for bragging rights.
So back to the hybrid debate. Lexus can't take the GSh downmarket in the US because for one they have the HS, and for two they are going to have an ESh. Leaving no place but UP for the GSh. The GS is and will probably always be a performance hybrid so comparison with the upcoming M hybrid is inevitable, so Lexus needs to be aggressive with the performance numbers on paper and the driving experience on the road with the next GSh.
That's exactly what I'm expecting, and hoping for. Going downmarket with the GSh makes no sense, and Lexus needs to take it to the next level. GS500h please
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I doubt it. Once and if the LFA becomes a hybrid then I can see other F models being hybrid. Right now I'm hoping for a supercharged 500hp GS F.
You are wrong about the GSh b/c IT WAS ALWAYS a limited production vehicle. It still is the first and only in its class. They stated this from day one, only 2,000 units max were coming here. I am not going to sit here and type it is some highly desirable vehicle as I would be lying but to compare it to something it never was meant to be, a volume car, is WRONG.[/IMG]