4GS Release Discussion!
08-20-11, 10:01 PM
#346
This confirmed it for me. My new sedan will NOT be a GS. I think most buyers in this segment will agree with me in that the Germans (namely BMW) have won this generation of midsize sedans. Even if I did want to stay with a Japanese manufacturer I would go with the M series of Infiniti. Hell, I might even go with the Korean Hyundai and save a few bucks! I think Lexus' GS line has declined since the 2nd generation with the exception of the GS450H. But the styling is more bland than ever. The performance numbers that I've seen so far have been disappointing. I just don't know many people who will spend $50k+ plus for this when so many other better options are available. But I do understand that not everyone has my tastes and that there are many people that like these vanilla luxury cars that Lexus makes. Once I sell my current GS, I doubt that I'll buy another Lexus, with the exception of a hybrid model.
for one i think the interior wins over the m and e, 5 is close. exterior i agree is a toss. and genesis? while it's good, it's quality is still no match to the other 4 brands imho.
08-20-11, 10:02 PM
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Wow, I was big fan of M, until now, I convinced myself, I was okay with the hood, but now no much.
08-20-11, 10:08 PM
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while i am not saying which one has won it all, but i am not sure if i agree with you either, i don't think you have seen the car in person especially the interior, let alone driving it.
for one i think the interior wins over the m and e, 5 is close. exterior i agree is a toss. and genesis? while it's good, it's quality is still no match to the other 4 brands imho.
for one i think the interior wins over the m and e, 5 is close. exterior i agree is a toss. and genesis? while it's good, it's quality is still no match to the other 4 brands imho.
08-20-11, 10:13 PM
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This confirmed it for me. My new sedan will NOT be a GS. I think most buyers in this segment will agree with me in that the Germans (namely BMW) have won this generation of midsize sedans. Even if I did want to stay with a Japanese manufacturer I would go with the M series of Infiniti. Hell, I might even go with the Korean Hyundai and save a few bucks! I think Lexus' GS line has declined since the 2nd generation with the exception of the GS450H. But the styling is more bland than ever. The performance numbers that I've seen so far have been disappointing. I just don't know many people who will spend $50k+ plus for this when so many other better options are available. But I do understand that not everyone has my tastes and that there are many people that like these vanilla luxury cars that Lexus makes. Once I sell my current GS, I doubt that I'll buy another Lexus, with the exception of a hybrid model.
FYI me and Lt. Lex go waaaaay back, he's a car guy, in Japan now. Don't let the low post count fool yall, I vouch for him. I think what he might be saying is kind of how I feel about the GS styling. I like it but it simply looks more upright and LS like, completely losing its coupe like profile the last 2 gens. Its an odd feeling b/c I always wondered how an upright GS would look but I really have to see it in person.
Washed the car today with the 20" Vossens dropped and just love the looks of the 3GS now and the coupe like curved shape. The 4GS tries to keep some of it but its more a traditional 3 box shape.
08-20-11, 10:14 PM
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while i am not saying which one has won it all, but i am not sure if i agree with you either, i don't think you have seen the car in person especially the interior, let alone driving it.
for one i think the interior wins over the m and e, 5 is close. exterior i agree is a toss. and genesis? while it's good, it's quality is still no match to the other 4 brands imho.
for one i think the interior wins over the m and e, 5 is close. exterior i agree is a toss. and genesis? while it's good, it's quality is still no match to the other 4 brands imho.
What I've noticed especially with the German auto makers is all the cars are looking like minimized or enlarged versions across all lines. I've test drove Volvo S60 & S40, Audi A4 & A6, and have looked at Bimmers, all nice cars, but when you get on the lot is like a million of the same eyes staring back at you. Unfortunately or fortunately depending on person, Lexus is indicating this is their direction too.
08-20-11, 10:15 PM
#351
We all complained about trunk space in the 3GS, now that Lexus has solved it and given us a trunk size worthy of the LS, we're still not happy.
This is definitely an obvious symptom of never-gonna-be-happy-no-matter-what syndrome.
I for one, welcome a large trunk, car looks great, trunk space is plentiful as well as passenger room.
This is definitely an obvious symptom of never-gonna-be-happy-no-matter-what syndrome.
I for one, welcome a large trunk, car looks great, trunk space is plentiful as well as passenger room.
08-20-11, 10:16 PM
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I am still STUNNED at the amount of technology available in the new GS:
- 18 way power adjustable seats
- 10 airbags
- rear seat controls
- 17 speaker, 10 channel, 800W+ ML system with class-D amplifier
- 12.3" screen with split-screen view, smartphone integration and upgradeable apps
- tri-zone climate control with S-flow technology
- pre-collision system
- lane-keep assist
- driver monitoring system
- blind spot monitoring system
- 2nd-generation Remote Touch
- HD Radio with iTunes tagging
- night vision
- heads up display
- transmission downshift throttle blipping
All this is just on the BASE model GS. Just imagine what other technology the GS hybrid and other GS variants will bring.
- 18 way power adjustable seats
- 10 airbags
- rear seat controls
- 17 speaker, 10 channel, 800W+ ML system with class-D amplifier
- 12.3" screen with split-screen view, smartphone integration and upgradeable apps
- tri-zone climate control with S-flow technology
- pre-collision system
- lane-keep assist
- driver monitoring system
- blind spot monitoring system
- 2nd-generation Remote Touch
- HD Radio with iTunes tagging
- night vision
- heads up display
- transmission downshift throttle blipping
All this is just on the BASE model GS. Just imagine what other technology the GS hybrid and other GS variants will bring.
i've watched the youtube videos of the 4GS (posted elsewhere in 4GS forum), and i'm impressed about how little it rolled through the corners.
it got me thinking - i wonder if apsss will still be an option for the 4GS?
08-20-11, 10:18 PM
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08-20-11, 10:20 PM
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I like the rear overhang, it adds weight to the back of the wheels, but I don't think it's extreme.
The interior should beat out the 5 series as well in terms of materials and details. The exterior I'd say is on par with the A6 but below the 5 series and ahead of both the E and M. The drive is the big question mark.
The interior should beat out the 5 series as well in terms of materials and details. The exterior I'd say is on par with the A6 but below the 5 series and ahead of both the E and M. The drive is the big question mark.
We all complained about trunk space in the 3GS, now that Lexus has solved it and given us a trunk size worthy of the LS, we're still not happy.
This is definitely an obvious symptom of never-gonna-be-happy-no-matter-what syndrome.
I for one, welcome a large trunk, car looks great, trunk space is plentiful as well as passenger room.
This is definitely an obvious symptom of never-gonna-be-happy-no-matter-what syndrome.
I for one, welcome a large trunk, car looks great, trunk space is plentiful as well as passenger room.
however i disagree that it's either one or another. fwiw i think e class proportion looks great and the trunk shape / space is fantastic
08-20-11, 10:31 PM
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Well I told Lexus I needed a bigger trunk to put all the internet kills I have in the back. The current trunk is small, I have to borrow the RX, and make sure the back is clean before I return it.
With an 18 cube+ trunk, I can comfortably fit 1 maybe 2 internet kills in the back before dumping the evidence
That is a really big trunk and no crap will be a selling point for some that want a black Lexus
With an 18 cube+ trunk, I can comfortably fit 1 maybe 2 internet kills in the back before dumping the evidence
That is a really big trunk and no crap will be a selling point for some that want a black Lexus
08-20-11, 10:46 PM
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We all complained about trunk space in the 3GS, now that Lexus has solved it and given us a trunk size worthy of the LS, we're still not happy.
This is definitely an obvious symptom of never-gonna-be-happy-no-matter-what syndrome.
I for one, welcome a large trunk, car looks great, trunk space is plentiful as well as passenger room.
This is definitely an obvious symptom of never-gonna-be-happy-no-matter-what syndrome.
I for one, welcome a large trunk, car looks great, trunk space is plentiful as well as passenger room.
08-20-11, 11:59 PM
#357
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I've only seen the JDM models have the Nanoe logo (so I'm assuming it's only for 4GS vehicles sold in Japan/locally).
Similar to when Lexus used Plasmacluster on previous vehicles. Only Japan-spec models have it..................unless you request for it.
Anyways, I guess these are just prototypes so it's too early to tell if the Panasonic NANO-E feature is just for JDM vehicles or if it will make it overseas.
08-21-11, 01:08 AM
#358
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This confirmed it for me. My new sedan will NOT be a GS. I think most buyers in this segment will agree with me in that the Germans (namely BMW) have won this generation of midsize sedans. Even if I did want to stay with a Japanese manufacturer I would go with the M series of Infiniti. Hell, I might even go with the Korean Hyundai and save a few bucks! I think Lexus' GS line has declined since the 2nd generation with the exception of the GS450H. But the styling is more bland than ever. The performance numbers that I've seen so far have been disappointing. I just don't know many people who will spend $50k+ plus for this when so many other better options are available. But I do understand that not everyone has my tastes and that there are many people that like these vanilla luxury cars that Lexus makes. Once I sell my current GS, I doubt that I'll buy another Lexus, with the exception of a hybrid model.
I would at least see the car in the flesh first and test drive it before I made up my mind....
08-21-11, 01:38 AM
#359
How will the new GS be vanilla? It will be lighter than the 5 series/E class/A6/M35 and apparently will be the best handling sedan in the Lexus line-up bar the F models. It will have more useable passenger and trunk space than the 3Gs and looks much better IMO.
I would at least see the car in the flesh first and test drive it before I made up my mind....
I would at least see the car in the flesh first and test drive it before I made up my mind....
So basically, Lexus will be forever bland no matter what they do. Yes, even after the LFA, F sport and F line up. If anybody ever goes to Jalopnik and pay attention to how they write articles on Toyota/Lexus and the comments that follow, you won't miss out on bland/vanilla/beige. Like I said, group think-it's a little hard to sink in...
08-21-11, 03:45 AM
#360
i tend to think gs has the edge too, but that's one thing i want to wait till i see the car in person to decide
i am all for bigger trunk too, by comparison i rather deal with more rear overhang like this and having the stupid trunk in my gs350
however i disagree that it's either one or another. fwiw i think e class proportion looks great and the trunk shape / space is fantastic
i am all for bigger trunk too, by comparison i rather deal with more rear overhang like this and having the stupid trunk in my gs350
however i disagree that it's either one or another. fwiw i think e class proportion looks great and the trunk shape / space is fantastic
how can it become bigger when vehicle size is the same as well as the wheelbase? lol.
Just think about it. It is same rear overhang as with old model.
Trunk got bigger because they completely redesigned rear suspension.
Oh - I forgot to post, you were interested in rear space, japanese mag said 25mm more space for legs, 30mm more for knees... which is nice, and pretty much only thing i understood from babelfish translation