4th Generation GS Reviews Thread
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http://www.autocar.co.uk/CarReviews/...GS-250/260187/
Autocar really likes the GS 250 F-sport 4/5 !!
Autocar really likes the GS 250 F-sport 4/5 !!
This Lexus GS 250 F Sport shows the manufacturer likes to do things a bit differently. While most rivals to the new GS offer a four-cylinder diesel engine at the range's entry point, Lexus has equipped the base GS 250 with a normally-aspirated 2.5-litre V6 petrol engine.
The model sits alongside the staple GS 450h hybrid in the all-new model's line-up, with sales of the two expected to be split 50:50.
What’s it like?
Our first sample of the new GS came in the F Sport version, which gets some BMW M Sport-style visual upgrades plus an Adaptive Variable Suspension system, which helps turn the new GS into a much greater dynamic proposition that its predecessor.
The ride is supple and composed when driven at low speeds in Normal model. It can be a bit fidgety at higher speeds and more abrasive surfaces, but select the driver-focused Sport S + mode and body control is much improved and it makes the GS 250 a rewarding car when you want to push on and attack corners.
The steering is also nicely weighted and provides decent feel if a little light, although again this can be rectified by selecting the Sport S+ mode which adds an extra 10 per cent of weight the to the electric system.
Perhaps the real highlight of this car is the engine. It's got a suitably rorty exhaust note and revs nicely throughout its powerband. But while the engine is the high, the six-speed automatic it is mated to is the biggest disappointment.
It's fine for gentle driving around town or long-distance cruises, but somewhat blunts progress for those wanting to have some fun. Its biggest problem is holding the gear too long and causing an uncomfortable sounding strain on the engine. It's better when manually controlled with the steering wheel-mounted paddles, however.
Should I buy one?
It feels genuinely refreshing to drive a naturally aspirated V6 petrol engine in a car in the GS's class, especially at the range’s entry point.
While Lexus may suffer in the market with no diesel as the decision to offer no engine smaller than this one will prevent many potential sales, those who still crave a genuinely good-to-drive saloon with a part-time sporty edge - and a V6 petrol engine under the bonnet - should add the new GS to their shopping list.
Mark Tisshaw
Lexus GS 250 F Sport
Price: £36,000 (est); Top speed: 143mph; 0-62mph: 8.6sec; Economy: 31.7mpg (combined); CO2: 207g/km; Kerb weight: 1700kg (est); Engine: V6, 2499cc, petrol; Power: 207bhp at 6400rpm; Torque: 187lb ft at 4800rpm; Gearbox: 6-spd auto
The model sits alongside the staple GS 450h hybrid in the all-new model's line-up, with sales of the two expected to be split 50:50.
What’s it like?
Our first sample of the new GS came in the F Sport version, which gets some BMW M Sport-style visual upgrades plus an Adaptive Variable Suspension system, which helps turn the new GS into a much greater dynamic proposition that its predecessor.
The ride is supple and composed when driven at low speeds in Normal model. It can be a bit fidgety at higher speeds and more abrasive surfaces, but select the driver-focused Sport S + mode and body control is much improved and it makes the GS 250 a rewarding car when you want to push on and attack corners.
The steering is also nicely weighted and provides decent feel if a little light, although again this can be rectified by selecting the Sport S+ mode which adds an extra 10 per cent of weight the to the electric system.
Perhaps the real highlight of this car is the engine. It's got a suitably rorty exhaust note and revs nicely throughout its powerband. But while the engine is the high, the six-speed automatic it is mated to is the biggest disappointment.
It's fine for gentle driving around town or long-distance cruises, but somewhat blunts progress for those wanting to have some fun. Its biggest problem is holding the gear too long and causing an uncomfortable sounding strain on the engine. It's better when manually controlled with the steering wheel-mounted paddles, however.
Should I buy one?
It feels genuinely refreshing to drive a naturally aspirated V6 petrol engine in a car in the GS's class, especially at the range’s entry point.
While Lexus may suffer in the market with no diesel as the decision to offer no engine smaller than this one will prevent many potential sales, those who still crave a genuinely good-to-drive saloon with a part-time sporty edge - and a V6 petrol engine under the bonnet - should add the new GS to their shopping list.
Mark Tisshaw
Lexus GS 250 F Sport
Price: £36,000 (est); Top speed: 143mph; 0-62mph: 8.6sec; Economy: 31.7mpg (combined); CO2: 207g/km; Kerb weight: 1700kg (est); Engine: V6, 2499cc, petrol; Power: 207bhp at 6400rpm; Torque: 187lb ft at 4800rpm; Gearbox: 6-spd auto
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Can you post some reviews in the review thread please
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Can you post some reviews in the review thread please
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I think the new GS450h feels quicker simply because like many reviews have said, the new GS feels more connected to the road. With the official 0-60 stat of the new GS450h being slower than the outgoing one, chances are that its mid-range acceleration won't be any faster (number-wise, not feel) either.
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ydooby, why the hell don't you post the features the GS DOES HAVE that the competition doesn't? Why are you focusing on the negative?
The car is debuting 5-10 world or class firsts. I listed them in a previous thread.
Why you are not jumping for joy it has the lowest CD?
Why are you not jumping for joy that it is lightest in class?
etc etc etc
There are many MANY people tired of all the constant negativity about Lexus on a Lexus forum. Well deserved negatively is one thing but people have ripped the car apart from long over-hangs to fog lamps.
Completely Lame.
The car is debuting 5-10 world or class firsts. I listed them in a previous thread.
Why you are not jumping for joy it has the lowest CD?
Why are you not jumping for joy that it is lightest in class?
etc etc etc
There are many MANY people tired of all the constant negativity about Lexus on a Lexus forum. Well deserved negatively is one thing but people have ripped the car apart from long over-hangs to fog lamps.
Completely Lame.
#38
I think the new GS450h feels quicker simply because like many reviews have said, the new GS feels more connected to the road. With the official 0-60 stat of the new GS450h being slower than the outgoing one, chances are that its mid-range acceleration won't be any faster (number-wise, not feel) either.
Also, numbers in Europe did not change at all, so they probably adjusted unrealistic US numbers.
#39
ydooby, why the hell don't you post the features the GS DOES HAVE that the competition doesn't? Why are you focusing on the negative?
The car is debuting 5-10 world or class firsts. I listed them in a previous thread.
Why you are not jumping for joy it has the lowest CD?
Why are you not jumping for joy that it is lightest in class?
etc etc etc
There are many MANY people tired of all the constant negativity about Lexus on a Lexus forum. Well deserved negatively is one thing but people have ripped the car apart from long over-hangs to fog lamps.
Completely Lame.
The car is debuting 5-10 world or class firsts. I listed them in a previous thread.
Why you are not jumping for joy it has the lowest CD?
Why are you not jumping for joy that it is lightest in class?
etc etc etc
There are many MANY people tired of all the constant negativity about Lexus on a Lexus forum. Well deserved negatively is one thing but people have ripped the car apart from long over-hangs to fog lamps.
Completely Lame.
Is this a Lexus PR site? This is a forum. We can discuss about BOTH the positives and negatives as long as we are basing our discussions on facts and/or truthful experiences. If you want to hear only positives please rename ClubLexus.com to LexusOfficials.com and I'll gladly oblige.
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Geez you must have missed all my other posts praising the GS's superior MPG, superior handling, etc.
Is this a Lexus PR site? This is a forum. We can discuss about BOTH the positives and negatives as long as we are basing our discussions on facts and/or truthful experiences. If you want to hear only positives please rename ClubLexus.com to LexusOfficials.com and I'll gladly oblige.
Is this a Lexus PR site? This is a forum. We can discuss about BOTH the positives and negatives as long as we are basing our discussions on facts and/or truthful experiences. If you want to hear only positives please rename ClubLexus.com to LexusOfficials.com and I'll gladly oblige.
There is also something called good taste and knowing where to post. This is a REVIEW thread. People come in here to read REVIEWS.
Picking apart the GS when the gotdamn car is getting rave reviews is borderline trolling.
If you want to beat it up, there are many other threads in this forum to do that.
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Guys take the back and forth to PM please.
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AutoCar also likes the GS 450h F-sport
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-reviews...s-gs-450h.aspx
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-reviews...s-gs-450h.aspx
What is it?
The outgoing Lexus GS 450h was a car you bought with your head and not your heart. But with this all-new model, Lexus if promising much greater levels of driver reward and performance to go with the mightily impressive – and equally improved - economy figures its petrol-electric hybrid drivetrain provides.
The all-new Lexus GS 450h sits atop a two-model range that will reach the UK in summer 2012, the entry-level GS 250 sitting below it. Its bold new design eschews the white-goods looks that have plagued recent Lexuses and will be rolled out across the next-generation of models.
The new GS is slightly wider (20mm) and taller (30mm) than before, but its length remains the same. Interior room is increased, and a change in the installation of the nickel-metal hydride battery pack has resulted in a 60 per cent increase in boot capacity.
Dynamically, Lexus is promising increased rigidity, agility and ride comfort from the all-new platform and double-wishbone front/multi-link rear suspension set-up. Additionally, F Sport models get an Adaptive Variable Suspension system to offer even greater control to the enthusiast driver. These range-toppers can also be specced with the Lexus Dynamic Handling package, essentially a four-wheel steering system.
The 3.5-litre V6 petrol engine has been retained and updated and is mated to Lexus’s second-generation hybrid system, which incorporates an electric motor and battery pack that can power the GS 450h for short bursts on its own or in tandem with the efficient Atkinson cycle engine. Combined power is 338bhp and torque is 254lb ft.
For those who ask why Lexus doesn’t do diesels, the firm will direct you to the performance and economy figures of this hybrid drivetrain. It can crack 0-62mph in 5.9sec and reach 155mph, yet still return 47.9mpg and 137g/km. Impressive stuff.
What’s it like?
What’s instantly striking about this car is how remarkably smooth and refined it is. It runs off stealth-like electric power alone at start-up and when the petrol engine kicks in at higher speeds, it’s seamless. Certainly, it is a very relaxing car to drive both around town and on the motorway, a pre-requisite for most GS 450h buyers.
Those looking to steal a march at the traffic lights will also not be disappointed. The performance claims seem genuine, and the GS 450h possesses an overtaking ability not normally associated with cars equipped with CVT gearboxes. The GS 450h is more than fast enough for almost all everyday situations, and you’ll rarely be found wanting more power.
The new suspension set-up and increased rigidity to the body shell have resulted in impressive ride quality and body control, both of which feel much improved over the old GS 450h. One niggle was the ride being prone to fidgeting at low speeds on the 19-inch F Sport alloys of our test car, but this wouldn’t be a deal-breaker.
Our go in the GS 450h included a trip to a test track to see if those claims of new-found levels of driver involvement were genuine. And the four-wheel steering system succeeds in making the GS 450h feel nimble and more stable at higher speeds. Very little input is required to the steering such, something which can make the car seem lacking in feel at first, but ultimately results in much sharper turn-in.
The extra involvement can be heightened by selecting the most focused Sport S+ mode from the four on offer with the Drive Model Select (Eco, Normal, Sport S and Sport S+). The engine speed is increased, along with a sharper throttle response and manual control of the gearbox using the steering wheel-mounted paddles.
Inside, it’s hard not to find a good driving position with the 18-way adjustable electric front seats. The quality is as you’d expect from a Lexus, and the large display screen is a welcome addition at being a one-stop-shop for everything from the sat-nav, to minute-by-minute economy.
But despite the boasts of extra space, the interior does feel a touch cramped. Whether this is down to the disappointing visibility, dark materials of our test car or the sheer amount of buttons and controls on the dash and centre console was hard to precisely pinpoint in this initial test.
Should I buy one?
However much Lexus improves the dynamic ability of the GS 450h to appeal to the enthusiast buyers, the car is still likely to be snapped up by wealthy private individuals who are more drawn by the hybrid drivetrain than its ability on a track. They will be pleased to hear the economy figures, like the performance and handling claims, are no gimmick and were largely achieved on our test drive.
That’s not to say the enthusiast should overlook the new GS 450h. It successfully builds on the performance and refinement of the old model and throws in extra agility and responsiveness. It’s unlikely to be cheap to buy, but the particular type of buyer who the GS 450h appeals to is unlikely to be disappointed.
Mark Tisshaw
Lexus GS 450h F Sport
Price: £50,000 (est); Top speed: 155mph; 0-62mph: 5.9sec; Economy: 47.9mpg (combined); CO2: 137g/km; Kerb weight: 1900kg (est); Engine: V6, 3456cc, petrol plus electric motor; Power: 338bhp at 6000rpm; Torque: 254lb ft at 4600rpm; Gearbox: CVT
The outgoing Lexus GS 450h was a car you bought with your head and not your heart. But with this all-new model, Lexus if promising much greater levels of driver reward and performance to go with the mightily impressive – and equally improved - economy figures its petrol-electric hybrid drivetrain provides.
The all-new Lexus GS 450h sits atop a two-model range that will reach the UK in summer 2012, the entry-level GS 250 sitting below it. Its bold new design eschews the white-goods looks that have plagued recent Lexuses and will be rolled out across the next-generation of models.
The new GS is slightly wider (20mm) and taller (30mm) than before, but its length remains the same. Interior room is increased, and a change in the installation of the nickel-metal hydride battery pack has resulted in a 60 per cent increase in boot capacity.
Dynamically, Lexus is promising increased rigidity, agility and ride comfort from the all-new platform and double-wishbone front/multi-link rear suspension set-up. Additionally, F Sport models get an Adaptive Variable Suspension system to offer even greater control to the enthusiast driver. These range-toppers can also be specced with the Lexus Dynamic Handling package, essentially a four-wheel steering system.
The 3.5-litre V6 petrol engine has been retained and updated and is mated to Lexus’s second-generation hybrid system, which incorporates an electric motor and battery pack that can power the GS 450h for short bursts on its own or in tandem with the efficient Atkinson cycle engine. Combined power is 338bhp and torque is 254lb ft.
For those who ask why Lexus doesn’t do diesels, the firm will direct you to the performance and economy figures of this hybrid drivetrain. It can crack 0-62mph in 5.9sec and reach 155mph, yet still return 47.9mpg and 137g/km. Impressive stuff.
What’s it like?
What’s instantly striking about this car is how remarkably smooth and refined it is. It runs off stealth-like electric power alone at start-up and when the petrol engine kicks in at higher speeds, it’s seamless. Certainly, it is a very relaxing car to drive both around town and on the motorway, a pre-requisite for most GS 450h buyers.
Those looking to steal a march at the traffic lights will also not be disappointed. The performance claims seem genuine, and the GS 450h possesses an overtaking ability not normally associated with cars equipped with CVT gearboxes. The GS 450h is more than fast enough for almost all everyday situations, and you’ll rarely be found wanting more power.
The new suspension set-up and increased rigidity to the body shell have resulted in impressive ride quality and body control, both of which feel much improved over the old GS 450h. One niggle was the ride being prone to fidgeting at low speeds on the 19-inch F Sport alloys of our test car, but this wouldn’t be a deal-breaker.
Our go in the GS 450h included a trip to a test track to see if those claims of new-found levels of driver involvement were genuine. And the four-wheel steering system succeeds in making the GS 450h feel nimble and more stable at higher speeds. Very little input is required to the steering such, something which can make the car seem lacking in feel at first, but ultimately results in much sharper turn-in.
The extra involvement can be heightened by selecting the most focused Sport S+ mode from the four on offer with the Drive Model Select (Eco, Normal, Sport S and Sport S+). The engine speed is increased, along with a sharper throttle response and manual control of the gearbox using the steering wheel-mounted paddles.
Inside, it’s hard not to find a good driving position with the 18-way adjustable electric front seats. The quality is as you’d expect from a Lexus, and the large display screen is a welcome addition at being a one-stop-shop for everything from the sat-nav, to minute-by-minute economy.
But despite the boasts of extra space, the interior does feel a touch cramped. Whether this is down to the disappointing visibility, dark materials of our test car or the sheer amount of buttons and controls on the dash and centre console was hard to precisely pinpoint in this initial test.
Should I buy one?
However much Lexus improves the dynamic ability of the GS 450h to appeal to the enthusiast buyers, the car is still likely to be snapped up by wealthy private individuals who are more drawn by the hybrid drivetrain than its ability on a track. They will be pleased to hear the economy figures, like the performance and handling claims, are no gimmick and were largely achieved on our test drive.
That’s not to say the enthusiast should overlook the new GS 450h. It successfully builds on the performance and refinement of the old model and throws in extra agility and responsiveness. It’s unlikely to be cheap to buy, but the particular type of buyer who the GS 450h appeals to is unlikely to be disappointed.
Mark Tisshaw
Lexus GS 450h F Sport
Price: £50,000 (est); Top speed: 155mph; 0-62mph: 5.9sec; Economy: 47.9mpg (combined); CO2: 137g/km; Kerb weight: 1900kg (est); Engine: V6, 3456cc, petrol plus electric motor; Power: 338bhp at 6000rpm; Torque: 254lb ft at 4600rpm; Gearbox: CVT