Official GS-F discussion
08-24-11, 12:23 PM
#122
Super Moderator
I have no problem with hybrids , the only 3GS I would even consider is the GS450h actually , and the 4GS450h should be very cool too, just don't try to pass it off as a legitimate 400hp+V8 replacement to compete with the other V8's in it's class. A hybrid GS-F will be a total disappointment to me.
They should concentrate on using hybrid tech on cars like RX400h, even a GS400h and a LS400h are all fine with me, but please, build a proper 500hp+ GS-F or none at all ...
They should concentrate on using hybrid tech on cars like RX400h, even a GS400h and a LS400h are all fine with me, but please, build a proper 500hp+ GS-F or none at all ...
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08-24-11, 01:59 PM
#124
Lexus Test Driver
08-24-11, 11:10 PM
#125
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Guys I hear you and I am not here defending the hybrid and all its glory. I (we lol, all 2 of us) am just assessing where Lexus is going and how will they make more power. the IS F makes 416hp far below the C63 and CTS-V but on par with the M3 which will gain turbos. Without some sort of forced induction or hybrid power, unless Lexus goes the GM 7.0 liter V-8 route 
where will this extra power come from?
These companies also have to worry about CAFE standards. I ENDORSE these gas guzzlers, I agree that they are wonderful and adding a hybrid powertrain to a Lexus version doesn't sound sexy but it might be a way to harness the power.
Porsche is racing with its hybrid system and its doing fantastic, hell the 918 will be a $750,000 hybrid.
Me thinks if PORSCHE does it, it will be fine and they will be seen as a leader. Lexus on the other hand, not so much.
I would love to see a 500hp V-8 or whatever GS F but if it is a hybrid, I welcome that too and the additional MPG savings.
Also to the poster who talked about the CVT, agreed, it isn't "sexy" for a performance car.
where will this extra power come from?These companies also have to worry about CAFE standards. I ENDORSE these gas guzzlers, I agree that they are wonderful and adding a hybrid powertrain to a Lexus version doesn't sound sexy
but it might be a way to harness the power. Porsche is racing with its hybrid system and its doing fantastic, hell the 918 will be a $750,000 hybrid.
Me thinks if PORSCHE does it, it will be fine and they will be seen as a leader. Lexus on the other hand, not so much.
I would love to see a 500hp V-8 or whatever GS F but if it is a hybrid, I welcome that too and the additional MPG savings.
Also to the poster who talked about the CVT, agreed, it isn't "sexy" for a performance car.
08-25-11, 04:43 AM
#126
Guys I hear you and I am not here defending the hybrid and all its glory. I (we lol, all 2 of us) am just assessing where Lexus is going and how will they make more power. the IS F makes 416hp far below the C63 and CTS-V but on par with the M3 which will gain turbos. Without some sort of forced induction or hybrid power, unless Lexus goes the GM 7.0 liter V-8 route where will this extra power come from?
These companies also have to worry about CAFE standards. I ENDORSE these gas guzzlers, I agree that they are wonderful and adding a hybrid powertrain to a Lexus version doesn't sound sexy but it might be a way to harness the power.
Porsche is racing with its hybrid system and its doing fantastic, hell the 918 will be a $750,000 hybrid.
Me thinks if PORSCHE does it, it will be fine and they will be seen as a leader. Lexus on the other hand, not so much.
I would love to see a 500hp V-8 or whatever GS F but if it is a hybrid, I welcome that too and the additional MPG savings.
Also to the poster who talked about the CVT, agreed, it isn't "sexy" for a performance car.
where will this extra power come from?These companies also have to worry about CAFE standards. I ENDORSE these gas guzzlers, I agree that they are wonderful and adding a hybrid powertrain to a Lexus version doesn't sound sexy
but it might be a way to harness the power. Porsche is racing with its hybrid system and its doing fantastic, hell the 918 will be a $750,000 hybrid.
Me thinks if PORSCHE does it, it will be fine and they will be seen as a leader. Lexus on the other hand, not so much.
I would love to see a 500hp V-8 or whatever GS F but if it is a hybrid, I welcome that too and the additional MPG savings.
Also to the poster who talked about the CVT, agreed, it isn't "sexy" for a performance car.
Just like 99% of people on forums didnt mind M3 moving to turbo 6... but imagine if IS-F was turbo 6 in 2009? ha! No way, Jose!
08-25-11, 07:46 AM
#127
Super Moderator
Guys I hear you and I am not here defending the hybrid and all its glory. I (we lol, all 2 of us) am just assessing where Lexus is going and how will they make more power. the IS F makes 416hp far below the C63 and CTS-V but on par with the M3 which will gain turbos. Without some sort of forced induction or hybrid power, unless Lexus goes the GM 7.0 liter V-8 route where will this extra power come from?
These companies also have to worry about CAFE standards. I ENDORSE these gas guzzlers, I agree that they are wonderful and adding a hybrid powertrain to a Lexus version doesn't sound sexy but it might be a way to harness the power.
Porsche is racing with its hybrid system and its doing fantastic, hell the 918 will be a $750,000 hybrid.
Me thinks if PORSCHE does it, it will be fine and they will be seen as a leader. Lexus on the other hand, not so much.
I would love to see a 500hp V-8 or whatever GS F but if it is a hybrid, I welcome that too and the additional MPG savings.
Also to the poster who talked about the CVT, agreed, it isn't "sexy" for a performance car.
where will this extra power come from?These companies also have to worry about CAFE standards. I ENDORSE these gas guzzlers, I agree that they are wonderful and adding a hybrid powertrain to a Lexus version doesn't sound sexy
but it might be a way to harness the power. Porsche is racing with its hybrid system and its doing fantastic, hell the 918 will be a $750,000 hybrid.
Me thinks if PORSCHE does it, it will be fine and they will be seen as a leader. Lexus on the other hand, not so much.
I would love to see a 500hp V-8 or whatever GS F but if it is a hybrid, I welcome that too and the additional MPG savings.
Also to the poster who talked about the CVT, agreed, it isn't "sexy" for a performance car.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1117091633.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNdySZK5GEA
08-25-11, 09:29 AM
#128
Guys I hear you and I am not here defending the hybrid and all its glory. I (we lol, all 2 of us) am just assessing where Lexus is going and how will they make more power. the IS F makes 416hp far below the C63 and CTS-V but on par with the M3 which will gain turbos. Without some sort of forced induction or hybrid power, unless Lexus goes the GM 7.0 liter V-8 route where will this extra power come from?
These companies also have to worry about CAFE standards. I ENDORSE these gas guzzlers, I agree that they are wonderful and adding a hybrid powertrain to a Lexus version doesn't sound sexy but it might be a way to harness the power.
Porsche is racing with its hybrid system and its doing fantastic, hell the 918 will be a $750,000 hybrid.
Me thinks if PORSCHE does it, it will be fine and they will be seen as a leader. Lexus on the other hand, not so much.
I would love to see a 500hp V-8 or whatever GS F but if it is a hybrid, I welcome that too and the additional MPG savings.
Also to the poster who talked about the CVT, agreed, it isn't "sexy" for a performance car.
where will this extra power come from?These companies also have to worry about CAFE standards. I ENDORSE these gas guzzlers, I agree that they are wonderful and adding a hybrid powertrain to a Lexus version doesn't sound sexy
but it might be a way to harness the power. Porsche is racing with its hybrid system and its doing fantastic, hell the 918 will be a $750,000 hybrid.
Me thinks if PORSCHE does it, it will be fine and they will be seen as a leader. Lexus on the other hand, not so much.
I would love to see a 500hp V-8 or whatever GS F but if it is a hybrid, I welcome that too and the additional MPG savings.
Also to the poster who talked about the CVT, agreed, it isn't "sexy" for a performance car.
Since Lexus/Toyota is the leader on electric hybrid, using electric assist as a power adder on all their future cars is very likely.
Even Ferrari is going electric assist hybrid.
I think all cars will slowly gain some kind of electric assist before all cars become fully electric eventually, but it will take a very long time. Internal combustion engines are slowly being phase out. Maybe I shouldn't say "all", I think 50 years from now, only exotic sports cars will have an internal combustion engine, everything else are fully electric. Like Ferrari announced last week, they will never make a full electric car, but they are working full speed on electric assist hybrid and will have them soon. It aren't an exotic sports car if it doesn't have that engine scream.
Last edited by BNR34; 08-25-11 at 09:37 AM.
08-25-11, 09:48 AM
#129
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They would need to add artificial engine sound to a hybrid GS-F, just simulate the LFA sound, that would make it Real Sexy !!!
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1117091633.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNdySZK5GEA
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1117091633.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNdySZK5GEA
Even though I didn't agreed with you on a few subjects recently, I agreed with you 100% on this. The power have to come from somewhere, so far it is either turbos or electric assist. No one is adding displacement because of the CAFE standard.
Since Lexus/Toyota is the leader on electric hybrid, using electric assist as a power adder on all their future cars is very likely.
Even Ferrari is going electric assist hybrid.
I think all cars will slowly gain some kind of electric assist before all cars become fully electric eventually, but it will take a very long time. Internal combustion engines are slowly being phase out. Maybe I shouldn't say "all", I think 50 years from now, only exotic sports cars will have an internal combustion engine, everything else are fully electric. Like Ferrari announced last week, they will never make a full electric car, but they are working full speed on electric assist hybrid and will have them soon. It aren't an exotic sports car if it doesn't have that engine scream.
Since Lexus/Toyota is the leader on electric hybrid, using electric assist as a power adder on all their future cars is very likely.
Even Ferrari is going electric assist hybrid.
I think all cars will slowly gain some kind of electric assist before all cars become fully electric eventually, but it will take a very long time. Internal combustion engines are slowly being phase out. Maybe I shouldn't say "all", I think 50 years from now, only exotic sports cars will have an internal combustion engine, everything else are fully electric. Like Ferrari announced last week, they will never make a full electric car, but they are working full speed on electric assist hybrid and will have them soon. It aren't an exotic sports car if it doesn't have that engine scream.
And to be honest I agree, until recently my views aligned with yours many times. Thanks for the honesty and great post, forgot Ferrari is also moving to hybrids.
08-25-11, 09:58 AM
#130
Even though I didn't agreed with you on a few subjects recently, I agreed with you 100% on this. The power have to come from somewhere, so far it is either turbos or electric assist. No one is adding displacement because of the CAFE standard.
Since Lexus/Toyota is the leader on electric hybrid, using electric assist as a power adder on all their future cars is very likely.
Even Ferrari is going electric assist hybrid.
I think all cars will slowly gain some kind of electric assist before all cars become fully electric eventually, but it will take a very long time. Internal combustion engines are slowly being phase out. Maybe I shouldn't say "all", I think 50 years from now, only exotic sports cars will have an internal combustion engine, everything else are fully electric. Like Ferrari announced last week, they will never make a full electric car, but they are working full speed on electric assist hybrid and will have them soon. It aren't an exotic sports car if it doesn't have that engine scream.
Since Lexus/Toyota is the leader on electric hybrid, using electric assist as a power adder on all their future cars is very likely.
Even Ferrari is going electric assist hybrid.
I think all cars will slowly gain some kind of electric assist before all cars become fully electric eventually, but it will take a very long time. Internal combustion engines are slowly being phase out. Maybe I shouldn't say "all", I think 50 years from now, only exotic sports cars will have an internal combustion engine, everything else are fully electric. Like Ferrari announced last week, they will never make a full electric car, but they are working full speed on electric assist hybrid and will have them soon. It aren't an exotic sports car if it doesn't have that engine scream.
08-25-11, 10:21 AM
#132
Lexus Fanatic
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haven't read whole thread so sorry if this is already discussed, but first post has quotes from the GS engineer about 'the next F model' but he doesn't say it will be a GS-F, does he?
08-25-11, 10:23 AM
#133
I never want it to come, I love gas guzzler
But I think all companies are trying to implement it now, when you see Porsche and Ferrari is doing it, it is here, they are always the slowest on putting lame stuff on their cars. Lexus was the 1st with the performance hybrid..........450h and 600h, very successful I would add.My personal feeling is the upcoming GS-F might not need electric assist to achieve it's target power, I think the current engine in the IS-F is detuned, unrestricting it to 465hp might just be enough for Lexus's goal for the car. But of course if they add electric power to give it a total of 500 hp or more, would be awesome.
08-25-11, 10:28 AM
#134
LS-F? ES-F? RX-F? SC-F? None of those are remotely coming out anytime soon.
I would love to see a SC-F
And please don't bother making a CT-F or HS-F 
Is like AMG is working on the A-Class, why? Please make it stop
I guess in today's world where an Aston Martin Cygnet exist, anything lame is possible.
Last edited by BNR34; 08-25-11 at 10:34 AM.
