Coming Soon: Lexus GS 250
11-17-11, 01:32 PM
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Lexus needs to learn that just because a particular model doesn't sell well it doesn't mean there's no market for the model, but it means that the model just isn't competitive enough and that they need to do a better job in the next refresh/redesign instead of withdrawing/canceling it. Diesel is still huge in Europe and I hate to see Lexus giving up the diesel market just because the half-assed attempt of a diesel IS doesn't sell.
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11-17-11, 01:53 PM
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I hope you are right. I hate it when manufacturers decontent cars to make them cheaper. It's not good marketing as it broadens the appeal, but loses credibility with the people who the car was originally aimed at.
Infiniti recently did that with the G37 and it makes me not want one anymore. It will likely hurt the resale value of the higher priced versions.
BTW, before someone points it out to me, yes I know about the 4 cylinder engine in the new 528 and the Audi A6. I'm not happy with those either.
Infiniti recently did that with the G37 and it makes me not want one anymore. It will likely hurt the resale value of the higher priced versions.
BTW, before someone points it out to me, yes I know about the 4 cylinder engine in the new 528 and the Audi A6. I'm not happy with those either.
11-17-11, 01:55 PM
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11-17-11, 02:02 PM
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I hope you are right. I hate it when manufacturers decontent cars to make them cheaper. It's not good marketing as it broadens the appeal, but loses credibility with the people who the car was originally aimed at.
Infiniti recently did that with the G37 and it makes me not want one anymore. It will likely hurt the resale value of the higher priced versions.
BTW, before someone points it out to me, yes I know about the 4 cylinder engine in the new 528 and the Audi A6. I'm not happy with those either.
Infiniti recently did that with the G37 and it makes me not want one anymore. It will likely hurt the resale value of the higher priced versions.
BTW, before someone points it out to me, yes I know about the 4 cylinder engine in the new 528 and the Audi A6. I'm not happy with those either.
11-17-11, 02:17 PM
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^^ Not much power squeezing at all....
"As Seen on"... The Lexus Enthusiast website..
Lexus Reveals GS 250 Horsepower Details
Lexus has announced that the GS series — including the GS 250, GS 350 F Sport & GS 450h — will be joined by the LFA Nürburgring Edition for the brand’s display at the Tokyo Motor Show in December.
This announcement was accompanied with a brief chart of the GS’ main specifications.
Going from the below information, it appears that the GS 250, a 2.5L V6 engine option that will be available in most markets outside North America, will be packing 158 kW/215 PS/212 HP at 6,400 rpm.
The 4GR-FSE in the non-North American IS 250 has always had 158 kW/ 215 PS / 212 HP - respectively.
Source: Toyota Motor Corp. Japan
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"As Seen on"... The Lexus Enthusiast website..
Originally Posted by krew
Lexus Reveals GS 250 Horsepower Details
Lexus has announced that the GS series — including the GS 250, GS 350 F Sport & GS 450h — will be joined by the LFA Nürburgring Edition for the brand’s display at the Tokyo Motor Show in December.
This announcement was accompanied with a brief chart of the GS’ main specifications.
Going from the below information, it appears that the GS 250, a 2.5L V6 engine option that will be available in most markets outside North America, will be packing 158 kW/215 PS/212 HP at 6,400 rpm.
The 4GR-FSE in the non-North American IS 250 has always had 158 kW/ 215 PS / 212 HP - respectively.
Source: Toyota Motor Corp. Japan
Joe Z
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11-17-11, 04:14 PM
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Templin came out and said they will not be affected much by cafe standards because they are considered one company with Toyota. As long as Toyota keeps putting out the different variations of the previous and the EV rav4 Lexus is not in trouble
11-17-11, 04:32 PM
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Well they need to come up with a competitive diesel engine first AND offer the same level of luxury as the gasoline models in the diesel models. The diesel IS sold poorly because the engine is neither as refined nor as efficient as the competition, and you can only get it with minimal options.
Lexus needs to learn that just because a particular model doesn't sell well it doesn't mean there's no market for the model, but it means that the model just isn't competitive enough and that they need to do a better job in the next refresh/redesign instead of withdrawing/canceling it. Diesel is still huge in Europe and I hate to see Lexus giving up the diesel market just because the half-assed attempt of a diesel IS doesn't sell.
Lexus needs to learn that just because a particular model doesn't sell well it doesn't mean there's no market for the model, but it means that the model just isn't competitive enough and that they need to do a better job in the next refresh/redesign instead of withdrawing/canceling it. Diesel is still huge in Europe and I hate to see Lexus giving up the diesel market just because the half-assed attempt of a diesel IS doesn't sell.
but lexus customers in europe dont want diesels... they need smaller hybrids and they are coming.
11-17-11, 07:43 PM
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Interesting... You're right. I didn't notice that most if not all options (except the automatic transmission) can be now had with the diesel IS. I could've sworn that one could only get some basic options with the IS220d until a year ago when they introduced the IS200d. Still the absence of an auto gearbox to pair with the diesel is quite an oversight IMHO.
Or it can be said in the other way... that diesel buyers in Europe don't find what they want from Lexus. There are certainly plenty of diesel buyers in Europe, but they aren't buying diesels from Lexus just yet. Lexus would be foolish to overlook this big piece of the European market. They just need to continue to improve their diesel offerings until the diesel buyers in Europe take Lexus seriously, instead of giving up so easily.
but lexus customers in europe dont want diesels... they need smaller hybrids and they are coming.
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11-17-11, 10:38 PM
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Thanks Joe Z!
11-18-11, 12:50 AM
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Interesting... You're right. I didn't notice that most if not all options (except the automatic transmission) can be now had with the diesel IS. I could've sworn that one could only get some basic options with the IS220d until a year ago when they introduced the IS200d. Still the absence of an auto gearbox to pair with the diesel is quite an oversight IMHO.Or it can be said in the other way... that diesel buyers in Europe don't find what they want from Lexus. There are certainly plenty of diesel buyers in Europe, but they aren't buying diesels from Lexus just yet. Lexus would be foolish to overlook this big piece of the European market. They just need to continue to improve their diesel offerings until the diesel buyers in Europe take Lexus seriously, instead of giving up so easily.
just like CTh is now selling like crazy in Europe.
11-18-11, 09:44 AM
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