clambros

Out of curiosity, I configured a similar 535i

3.0 liter, 6-cylinder engine with TwinPower Turbo technology
Rear-wheel drive
Base MSRP $52,500
Driver Assistance Package $1,350 Premium Package $2,000 Premium Sound Package $950 Technology Package $1,850 STEPTRONIC automatic transmission $0
Head-up Display $1,300
Heated front seats $500
Parking Assistant $500
BMW Apps $250
BMW Fitted Luggage Compartment Mat $112
Destination & Handling: $895
Total MSRP as Built $62,207

Joe Z

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It's not that confussing....

The copy & past feature, probably killed the spacing... A simple "enter" key solves that issue..

The below is cut out of post #1.. Plus, I added more $ signs for convenience.

Codes for this car below are: 9306 AWD with BD, GF, LK, LX, NV, PA, PS and Z1


~ Joe Z

jtrue28

So Lexus did add the "Heated steering wheel" option....hmmm. May only be a part of the "Cold Weather" package, which would make sense. Disappointed with the exterior color options for the F-Sport models..../ohwell

jjscsix

Joe, you are right - I missed the price on the first post. My bad!

rominl

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well that's what lexus has always been "weak" about, just get used to it.

when i said it's not fair, i don't mean the way you are looking at it. i am talking about the base price of the car, where it says the "same" but it really doesn't mean as much since it offers more in some areas but less in some others. bottom line is if you get a similar equipped car it will cost more (as you stated). it's just how things are for the longest time i can remember. we can all complain about it but at the same time i see nothing surprising there

that's why when the news came out saying the new gs has the same base price as the 3gs, i said it's good but basically shut up after that. i didn't know what's to be so exciting about. i mean, it's definitely a good start, no doubt. but it's just a small piece of the puzzle. this is lexus not acura, where you either get base or nav version of the car. there are so many packages and options, and those are the real contents that add to the overall price of the car.

as we can see here, my 3gs350 was pretty loaded at 52k msrp. i am still wondering what the similar kind of optioned car will be now on the 4gs. i am pretty sure it's going to be close to 60k, if not more.


maybe you can tell us what you throw into the 535xi to make it 75k. i look at the first 62k gs350 car and built what i think is a close match 535xi

Space Gray Metallic
$550
Black Nappa Leather
$1,000
Aluminum Trim
$0
Cold Weather Package
$1,450
Driver Assistance Package
$1,350
Luxury Seating Package
$2,400
Premium Package
$2,000
Technology Package
$1,850
Head-up Display
$1,300
Multi-contour seats
$1,300
Destination & Handling:
$895
TOTAL MSRP AS BUILT$68,895

if you think premium with avs and you need to throw in the m sport package on bmw, give me a break. get a fsport (and that is if you can throw luxury package on the fsport, which i don't know) and we will talk. that adds what, 5-6k to the price tag? m-sport has a lot of other features added that you can't do a good comparison at that point. and there are other small stuff too, lexus is only 3 zone, bmw is 4 zone. how do we want to deal with that?

anyway, you can build whatever you want and claim the difference, that's your call and i am not going to go far with you on that. if you think a "similarly" equipped 5 is going to be over 10k more, i have nothing to say

to me, i made it pretty clear that lexus is still priced nicely under similar bmw, i gave them that but if you want to stretch that any further...

rominl

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i think heated steering wheel with cold weather package makes sense anyway. to me by the time i need heated steering wheel, the car must be pretty darn cold

jjscsix

Just to be clear on my position. I'm not at all surprised it went up on price - I've expected and predicted that all along. And compared to the competition it's probably worth it. I'm a huge car nut, and have been for over 45 years, and I still have all the magazines I've ever bought to prove it - going back to 1965. Paying stupid money for vehicles has never stopped me before, as you can see in my signature. But I'm reaching a point in my life where these decisions to pay more for a car are a lot harder as I near retirement and shake my head over the fact that my 401k is worth about what it was 4 years ago except what I have contributed.

My point is that they did a lot of things right, and the car is fairly priced. But they better hope there are not too many folks like me, because despite the new fangs it has grown, the Lexus is still a car that will appeal to folks my age more than younger folks. BTW, I'm 59 years old.

Thanks for the thoughtful reply. You make good points.

spwolf

since bmw's site doesnt work with Chrome, here is attached image from IE:

spwolf

there is also stuff missing here, such as nappa leather, sport AT, sport package with dynamic dampers, luxury package with ventilated seats, power rear sunshade, active seats 4zone.... all of that is 7.5k extra and you do get 19" instead of 18" wheels and 4 zone vs 3 zone but thats pretty much it... and on the other side you get extra stuff in Lexus like Enform, larger nav screen, etc.

you cant really compare luxury package with its AVS and active damping Sport+ system to base 5 series, same goes with 18 way seats... Will ML and BMW "Premium" system be even comparable?

rominl

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oh, don't get me wrong i am totally with you on the points you made. if anything that's what i have been complaining about lexus for a long time anyway, people often have to get features they don't really need. but then at the same time i guess that's how lexus is able to save a few pennies here and there too, more customization can put more "stress" on the production line thus increasing cost. i am sure lexus will still end up comfortably cheaper, just not sure by how much

doesn't matter comparable or not, ml and premium are both upgrade. the lexus car doesn't have ml, so adding premium is clearly not appropriate to me. and if you have to say adding sport package is necessary to make it fair, power to you.

IAMJAVEDG

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Can't forget the GS also has normal cup holders... something the 5 Series still doesn't have even though we're already in 2012......

natnut

But I think adding the Sport package is fair since in most reviews, the GS, base or F-sport was compared to the sport package equipped 5 series and still won the handling test. Hence you need to up-spec the 5 series to the handling package for it to even be able to be on-par with the GS in terms of handling.

rominl

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if that's the case that means any of the previous 3gs built were never worth the money because you can add all the packages to the car and it still wouldn't handle like a bmw? like i said, if that's how a comparison is done, meaning same performance level, i really don't have anything else to say because obviously things are looked at differently. and i guess any price comparison between these cars are pointless because you just can't have 2 exactly same cars from different brands, never.

i mean, looking at the details, sports package have 19" wheels, lexus? increased speed limiter, lexus? 4 zone climate, lexus? fold down rear seats, lexus (or do they fold down now finally)? you see what i mean? you can never get it down to those details to say a good comparison. just like spwolf said, bmw's premium audio might only be barely better than lexus standard system, let alone mark levinson. so that means need to throw in bmw premium audio just to compare to standard lexus?

things go both way. again if that's how you think the comparison should be done, i really have nothing to say. i am not saying one way is right / wrong, but i am just putting it on the table. but just keep in mind the ball goes both way, flipping the coin and you can see something similar from bmw side. and the same goes to mb too, even if you compare between mb and bmw

Andy111

What is the lowest price that the dealers will be selling the GS? Can you realistically find something in the late 40's/low 50K range? Not sure I can spend $60K with tax, destination, etc.

rocks

Well it seems to me that this time around the GS seems to be very similar in price to the F10. That may not be a good thing if Lexus hopes to sway buyers of MB and especially BMW. The 3G was a bargain compared to the germans, this one not so much.