So much for predictions of the 4GS being a flop
08-06-12, 12:53 AM
#226
as flipside posted in another thread:
Gen 1 - UCF10 1990-1994 (1993 Refresh) 4.0L 250hp
Gen 2 - UCF20 1995-2000 (1998 Refresh) 4.0L 260hp
Gen 3 - UCF30 2001-2006 (2004 Refresh) 4.3L 290hp
Gen 4 - USV40 2007-current (2010 Refresh; 2013 Refresh). 4.6L 380hp; 4.6L 386hp
the LS has always been under 5 to at most 6 years in previous generations. the 4ls is the first time they carry 2 (or more?) facelifts and model cycle stretching for longer
08-06-12, 01:07 AM
#227
7 year cycle might be on other models, but not the LS
as flipside posted in another thread:
Gen 1 - UCF10 1990-1994 (1993 Refresh) 4.0L 250hp
Gen 2 - UCF20 1995-2000 (1998 Refresh) 4.0L 260hp
Gen 3 - UCF30 2001-2006 (2004 Refresh) 4.3L 290hp
Gen 4 - USV40 2007-current (2010 Refresh; 2013 Refresh). 4.6L 380hp; 4.6L 386hp
the LS has always been under 5 to at most 6 years in previous generations. the 4ls is the first time they carry 2 (or more?) facelifts and model cycle stretching for longer
as flipside posted in another thread:
Gen 1 - UCF10 1990-1994 (1993 Refresh) 4.0L 250hp
Gen 2 - UCF20 1995-2000 (1998 Refresh) 4.0L 260hp
Gen 3 - UCF30 2001-2006 (2004 Refresh) 4.3L 290hp
Gen 4 - USV40 2007-current (2010 Refresh; 2013 Refresh). 4.6L 380hp; 4.6L 386hp
the LS has always been under 5 to at most 6 years in previous generations. the 4ls is the first time they carry 2 (or more?) facelifts and model cycle stretching for longer
08-06-12, 10:44 AM
#228
Lexus need to make it easy for people to customize their cars(GS, LS, etc). Anyone who can afford luxury will want all the bells and whistles that come with it. Having the option of power trunk and mirror available everywhere else except the US was a very bad idea.
08-06-12, 10:49 AM
#229
i dont think there is a rule of thumb as to the length on the market for Lexus vehicles. Toyota used to be known for shortest time on market for their vehicles, but it really depends on more than few factors and i have a feeling that happenings in 2009 stretched model years a bit.
08-06-12, 02:54 PM
#230
The previous 3LS was from roughly 2000-2007.
However, I forgot that the original 1LS was 1989-1995, while the 2LS was 1995-2000.
The exact year range varies depending on the market [country].
Yes, it is all over the place isn't it.
Presently, Benz and Beamer are very consistent at 7 years, however they are said to be shortening that for future models.
Toyota and Honda use to be consistent at 4 years in the 80's and 90's, but nowadays they are using consistent 5 year model cycles for the Camry and ES, and the Accord.
Hopefully, Lexus can get more consistency, and more competitive shorter cycles for the 5GS and 5LS; they'll need to keep up with the Germans who are working hard, and peeling cost cutting Lexus away...
However, I forgot that the original 1LS was 1989-1995, while the 2LS was 1995-2000.
The exact year range varies depending on the market [country].
Yes, it is all over the place isn't it.
Presently, Benz and Beamer are very consistent at 7 years, however they are said to be shortening that for future models.
Toyota and Honda use to be consistent at 4 years in the 80's and 90's, but nowadays they are using consistent 5 year model cycles for the Camry and ES, and the Accord.
Hopefully, Lexus can get more consistency, and more competitive shorter cycles for the 5GS and 5LS; they'll need to keep up with the Germans who are working hard, and peeling cost cutting Lexus away...
08-06-12, 04:07 PM
#231
The previous 3LS was from roughly 2000-2007.
However, I forgot that the original 1LS was 1989-1995, while the 2LS was 1995-2000.
The exact year range varies depending on the market [country].
Yes, it is all over the place isn't it.
Presently, Benz and Beamer are very consistent at 7 years, however they are said to be shortening that for future models.
Toyota and Honda use to be consistent at 4 years in the 80's and 90's, but nowadays they are using consistent 5 year model cycles for the Camry and ES, and the Accord.
Hopefully, Lexus can get more consistency, and more competitive shorter cycles for the 5GS and 5LS; they'll need to keep up with the Germans who are working hard, and peeling cost cutting Lexus away...
However, I forgot that the original 1LS was 1989-1995, while the 2LS was 1995-2000.
The exact year range varies depending on the market [country].
Yes, it is all over the place isn't it.
Presently, Benz and Beamer are very consistent at 7 years, however they are said to be shortening that for future models.
Toyota and Honda use to be consistent at 4 years in the 80's and 90's, but nowadays they are using consistent 5 year model cycles for the Camry and ES, and the Accord.
Hopefully, Lexus can get more consistency, and more competitive shorter cycles for the 5GS and 5LS; they'll need to keep up with the Germans who are working hard, and peeling cost cutting Lexus away...
08-06-12, 07:48 PM
#232
There really is no rule of thumb with Lexus, since the SC300/400 were introduced as 1992 models and discontinued as 2000 models. That is a 9-year lifespan. The SC430 was around from 2002-2010, Again, 9 years. If Lexus comes out with a sharp-looking coupe (not LFA priced) with the dynamics of the GS I will be all over it, especially since it will be in style for almost a decade.
Last edited by dseag2; 08-06-12 at 07:53 PM.
08-06-12, 07:55 PM
#233
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The size difference between the GS and LS is staggering and the LS has a much more bold grill. I have no idea how anyone could confuse the two.
In regards to the economy, I don't think its an issue when the luxury market has clearly rebounded and sales continue to go up.
Lexus needs to get its head out its butt and really push the GS more, advertising and marketing has DIED since spring. I hope they name the new coupe GSc instead of SC to give the GS added excitement. Its sad since the GS really is the best driving car in class and it is attracting customers and on target for sales. I hope the Lexus fall promotions help!
The GS 450h has launched and I've yet to see ANYTHING advertising it.
08-06-12, 11:21 PM
#234
You are really confusing your opinion with facts. And I'm telling you and the forum its a refresh, its not a new car. /Thread
The size difference between the GS and LS is staggering and the LS has a much more bold grill. I have no idea how anyone could confuse the two.
In regards to the economy, I don't think its an issue when the luxury market has clearly rebounded and sales continue to go up.
Lexus needs to get its head out its butt and really push the GS more, advertising and marketing has DIED since spring. I hope they name the new coupe GSc instead of SC to give the GS added excitement. Its sad since the GS really is the best driving car in class and it is attracting customers and on target for sales. I hope the Lexus fall promotions help!
The GS 450h has launched and I've yet to see ANYTHING advertising it.
The size difference between the GS and LS is staggering and the LS has a much more bold grill. I have no idea how anyone could confuse the two.
In regards to the economy, I don't think its an issue when the luxury market has clearly rebounded and sales continue to go up.
Lexus needs to get its head out its butt and really push the GS more, advertising and marketing has DIED since spring. I hope they name the new coupe GSc instead of SC to give the GS added excitement. Its sad since the GS really is the best driving car in class and it is attracting customers and on target for sales. I hope the Lexus fall promotions help!
The GS 450h has launched and I've yet to see ANYTHING advertising it.
on advertising, i agree completely. i couldn't believe just yesterday evening i saw a lexus commercial on the CURRENT es350?! wtf?!
08-07-12, 08:39 AM
#235
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Myself, you and I want to say Joe-Z and Ryan stated it was a refresh from day one and all we got was a mountain of opposition and people claiming to have sources which were wrong.Yes Lexus is dropping the ball on the GS marketing/advertising and I'm not even sure why they invested in a 450h here if they are not going to explain to consumers how incredible it is getting 31 MPG AVERAGE and 338hp. As a GSh owner is makes me sick
Lexus needs to do a driving event for the GS like they did in the past. Sure its expensive but people need to experience the GS. The GS needs help with marketing!!! It is not a car that will sell itself like the ES or LS.
08-07-12, 09:32 AM
#236
Here in the NY/NJ area we are being saturated with the Lexus Golden Opportunity advertising. Without a doubt they have the most commercials of any car company right now! It's all over, every ten minutes on TV. Those commercials generally feature the GS, especially because it is new.
My wife even showed me a recent episode of one of the fashion shows which the designers were inspired by the GS350. They got to drive them and were supposed to incorporate the different colors of the GS into their designs. There is no doubt here in the NY area they are trying, but whether they are successful or not.....Who knows?
My wife even showed me a recent episode of one of the fashion shows which the designers were inspired by the GS350. They got to drive them and were supposed to incorporate the different colors of the GS into their designs. There is no doubt here in the NY area they are trying, but whether they are successful or not.....Who knows?
08-07-12, 10:41 AM
#237
I wonder about a lot of people here Myself, you and I want to say Joe-Z and Ryan stated it was a refresh from day one and all we got was a mountain of opposition and people claiming to have sources which were wrong.
Yes Lexus is dropping the ball on the GS marketing/advertising and I'm not even sure why they invested in a 450h here if they are not going to explain to consumers how incredible it is getting 31 MPG AVERAGE and 338hp. As a GSh owner is makes me sick
Lexus needs to do a driving event for the GS like they did in the past. Sure its expensive but people need to experience the GS. The GS needs help with marketing!!! It is not a car that will sell itself like the ES or LS.
Myself, you and I want to say Joe-Z and Ryan stated it was a refresh from day one and all we got was a mountain of opposition and people claiming to have sources which were wrong.Yes Lexus is dropping the ball on the GS marketing/advertising and I'm not even sure why they invested in a 450h here if they are not going to explain to consumers how incredible it is getting 31 MPG AVERAGE and 338hp. As a GSh owner is makes me sick
Lexus needs to do a driving event for the GS like they did in the past. Sure its expensive but people need to experience the GS. The GS needs help with marketing!!! It is not a car that will sell itself like the ES or LS.
08-07-12, 10:58 AM
#238
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I see the "Golden Opportunity" commercials a lot. I've mainly been watching the Olympics and Reds baseball, so whatever market that hits...I guess sports enthusiasts. #makessense The GS is predominantly show during those commercials as well...even the one where 2 GSs are getting passed by the ISF and LFA.
08-07-12, 05:52 PM
#239
.....Lexus needs to get its head out its butt and really push the GS more, advertising and marketing has DIED since spring. I hope they name the new coupe GSc instead of SC to give the GS added excitement. Its sad since the GS really is the best driving car in class and it is attracting customers and on target for sales. I hope the Lexus fall promotions help!
The GS 450h has launched and I've yet to see ANYTHING advertising it.
The GS 450h has launched and I've yet to see ANYTHING advertising it.
08-07-12, 07:55 PM
#240
So, how is the 4GS performing so far?
It should be comfortably on target for 2k/mth.
However, it is underselling its predecessor, the 3GS which amassed 33.5k in the equivalent period.
We won't know for years to come, till the next generation 5GS comes out, when all the knives will come out for the 4GS, and then we will be able to analyse exactly what went right, and what went wrong with the 4GS.
Ditto the 2nd facelifted 4.75LS.
It is an above average car - a good car even - but it lacks that one punch knock out!
Let's put enthusiasts aside, the mass market which ultimately determines the overall sales of the 4.75LS may prefer the original 4LS styling over the 2nd facelift?
The mass market is important because it determines how much profit the manufacturer and dealers make, so at least the manufacturer can pour that money back into research and development; otherwise the next gen 5GS will still have a 6 speed auto tranny etc.
Marketing, discounting, and leasing are secondary factors.
The primary factor is that Lexus needs more styling in their range; to give the car more emotional appeal.
A good car is great, but it still needs that emotional appeal to the mass public.
Presently, the most attractive Lexus by far, would still have to be the facelifted RX350 with the spindle grill - which is also Lexus' best selling model, by far...
It should be comfortably on target for 2k/mth.
However, it is underselling its predecessor, the 3GS which amassed 33.5k in the equivalent period.
We won't know for years to come, till the next generation 5GS comes out, when all the knives will come out for the 4GS, and then we will be able to analyse exactly what went right, and what went wrong with the 4GS.
Ditto the 2nd facelifted 4.75LS.
It is an above average car - a good car even - but it lacks that one punch knock out!
Let's put enthusiasts aside, the mass market which ultimately determines the overall sales of the 4.75LS may prefer the original 4LS styling over the 2nd facelift?
The mass market is important because it determines how much profit the manufacturer and dealers make, so at least the manufacturer can pour that money back into research and development; otherwise the next gen 5GS will still have a 6 speed auto tranny etc.
Marketing, discounting, and leasing are secondary factors.
The primary factor is that Lexus needs more styling in their range; to give the car more emotional appeal.
A good car is great, but it still needs that emotional appeal to the mass public.
Presently, the most attractive Lexus by far, would still have to be the facelifted RX350 with the spindle grill - which is also Lexus' best selling model, by far...
Last edited by peteharvey; 08-07-12 at 10:07 PM.