So much for predictions of the 4GS being a flop
03-08-12, 08:04 AM
#46
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Calming down works both ways, including the exaggerated 4GS claims when there are members in the 4GS forum who own them or have them on order. There is also a 3GS forum to discuss how ugly and bland the 4GS is and how the 3GS is the best Lexus ever.
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/gs-...ml#post7039791
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/gs-...ml#post7039791
Anywho, if Lexus can stay around 2k units a month they will be extremely happy as the goal is 24k a year. GS 450h sales are predicted to be 10% of sales so I wouldn't expect a huge jump in May, its a low volume car and even with gas prices rising I don't see a huge demand for a 55k-65k car even if it gets 31MPG.
If Lexus offered a GS coupe and an entry level GS 300h or something I don't see why they couldn't hit 3k a month in sales.
03-08-12, 03:50 PM
#47
Which I clearly explained in that thread.
Anywho, if Lexus can stay around 2k units a month they will be extremely happy as the goal is 24k a year. GS 450h sales are predicted to be 10% of sales so I wouldn't expect a huge jump in May, its a low volume car and even with gas prices rising I don't see a huge demand for a 55k-65k car even if it gets 31MPG.
If Lexus offered a GS coupe and an entry level GS 300h or something I don't see why they couldn't hit 3k a month in sales.
Anywho, if Lexus can stay around 2k units a month they will be extremely happy as the goal is 24k a year. GS 450h sales are predicted to be 10% of sales so I wouldn't expect a huge jump in May, its a low volume car and even with gas prices rising I don't see a huge demand for a 55k-65k car even if it gets 31MPG.
If Lexus offered a GS coupe and an entry level GS 300h or something I don't see why they couldn't hit 3k a month in sales.
03-08-12, 05:04 PM
#50
Which I clearly explained in that thread.
Anywho, if Lexus can stay around 2k units a month they will be extremely happy as the goal is 24k a year. GS 450h sales are predicted to be 10% of sales so I wouldn't expect a huge jump in May, its a low volume car and even with gas prices rising I don't see a huge demand for a 55k-65k car even if it gets 31MPG.
If Lexus offered a GS coupe and an entry level GS 300h or something I don't see why they couldn't hit 3k a month in sales.
Anywho, if Lexus can stay around 2k units a month they will be extremely happy as the goal is 24k a year. GS 450h sales are predicted to be 10% of sales so I wouldn't expect a huge jump in May, its a low volume car and even with gas prices rising I don't see a huge demand for a 55k-65k car even if it gets 31MPG.
If Lexus offered a GS coupe and an entry level GS 300h or something I don't see why they couldn't hit 3k a month in sales.
03-08-12, 07:57 PM
#51
Not even 3k, more likely near 4k a month to be honest. But that will kill the ES sales big time. Which brings me to point out that the ES is redundant and should be killed off completely. Then Lexus can make a nice coupe sedan above the GS that sits between the GS and LS and then make the IS with more engine options. They sell a GS250 in Europe and Asia and I believe that will do well here with the 528i and the A6 2.0T sedans. But Lexus is stuck with their old school thoughts of only 1 or 2 engines and that's end of story. Not a way to go anymore to get more sales.
03-10-12, 09:22 PM
#52
Not even 3k, more likely near 4k a month to be honest. But that will kill the ES sales big time. Which brings me to point out that the ES is redundant and should be killed off completely. Then Lexus can make a nice coupe sedan above the GS that sits between the GS and LS and then make the IS with more engine options. They sell a GS250 in Europe and Asia and I believe that will do well here with the 528i and the A6 2.0T sedans. But Lexus is stuck with their old school thoughts of only 1 or 2 engines and that's end of story. Not a way to go anymore to get more sales.
03-11-12, 04:08 AM
#53
Not even 3k, more likely near 4k a month to be honest. But that will kill the ES sales big time. Which brings me to point out that the ES is redundant and should be killed off completely. Then Lexus can make a nice coupe sedan above the GS that sits between the GS and LS and then make the IS with more engine options. They sell a GS250 in Europe and Asia and I believe that will do well here with the 528i and the A6 2.0T sedans. But Lexus is stuck with their old school thoughts of only 1 or 2 engines and that's end of story. Not a way to go anymore to get more sales.
I truly believe Lexus would get back to #1 if they had more choices for all the models. If you give people the power and choices the Germans give but with more relaibility and lower price, they will come running.
03-11-12, 07:04 AM
#54
Not even 3k, more likely near 4k a month to be honest. But that will kill the ES sales big time. Which brings me to point out that the ES is redundant and should be killed off completely. Then Lexus can make a nice coupe sedan above the GS that sits between the GS and LS and then make the IS with more engine options. They sell a GS250 in Europe and Asia and I believe that will do well here with the 528i and the A6 2.0T sedans. But Lexus is stuck with their old school thoughts of only 1 or 2 engines and that's end of story. Not a way to go anymore to get more sales.
03-11-12, 09:41 AM
#55
Don't agree having more options would kill the ES. Every Benz has 2 or 3 engine choices and t doesn't hurt the entry level c-class. Even the c-class has 3 choices...actually 4 and it's alive and well. Every Bimmer has at least 2, some 3. But the entry levels are strong or stronger than the top models. The ES is a necessary model to the brand. Period. I believe the ES and GX are the top sellers, closely followed by the IS250. I'm judging by what I see on the road so someone will have to verify my guesses.
I truly believe Lexus would get back to #1 if they had more choices for all the models. If you give people the power and choices the Germans give but with more relaibility and lower price, they will come running.
I truly believe Lexus would get back to #1 if they had more choices for all the models. If you give people the power and choices the Germans give but with more relaibility and lower price, they will come running.
No, the RX is the top seller for Lexus. I'm sure the ES is up there. And that speaks to the argument about the challenge Lexus has in not selling as many of the high-profit, expensive models as BMW or Mercedes. It is selling mostly RX's and ES's. Seems to me that makes for a good argument to focus on continuing to fine-tune the GS and LS and make them more competitive. (Which is what they seem to be doing.)
If I look at your analogy, the IS should be the entry class, competitive with the 3 Series or C Class.
3 Series = C Class = A4 = IS
5 Series = E Class = A6 = GS
7 Serieis = S Class = A8 = LS
It is ultimately Lexus's decision to focus on what makes sense for them, not ours, but if Lexus is going to become a serious player within the segment listed above killing off the GS wouldn't have helped. I'm sure the ES brings people into the Lexus fold, but it would be interesting to see how many people actually move up from that model.
03-13-12, 10:56 AM
#56
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from lexusenthusiast.com
Some posters predicted that 4GS sales would be underwhelming, contrary to my own expectations. I know that's it still too early to gauge longterm sales success and this is only in Japan but the 4GS has gotten off to a strong start in its home country.
It would be interesting to :
1) compare this to the initial pre-orders of the 3GS in Japan
2) see the pre-orders for Lexus USA (the biggest market for Lexus)
Some posters predicted that 4GS sales would be underwhelming, contrary to my own expectations. I know that's it still too early to gauge longterm sales success and this is only in Japan but the 4GS has gotten off to a strong start in its home country.
It would be interesting to :
1) compare this to the initial pre-orders of the 3GS in Japan
2) see the pre-orders for Lexus USA (the biggest market for Lexus)
Looks like the US loves the new GS as much as Japan.
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2012 Honda CR-V: 10 days
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2012 Kia Soul: 14 days
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2012 BMW X6 M: 114 days
2012 BMW 650i convertible: 111 days
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2012 BMW 135i convertible: 96 days
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2012 Nissan NV cargo van: 89 days
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2012 Honda CR-V: 10 days
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2012 Hyundai Veloster: 10 days
2012 Subaru Impreza hatchback: 10 days
2013 Volvo XC90: 10 days
2012 Honda Pilot: 11 days
2012 Audi Q5: 12 days
2012 BMW X3: 12 days
2012 Hyundai Sonata Hybrid: 12 days
2012 Toyota 4Runner: 12 days
2012 Toyota Camry Hybrid: 12 days
2012 Land Rover Range Rover Evoque: 13 days
2012 Subaru Impreza sedan: 13 days
2012 BMW 535i xDrive sedan: 14 days
2012 Kia Soul: 14 days
2012 Toyota RAV4: 14 days
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2012 BMW X6 M: 114 days
2012 BMW 650i convertible: 111 days
2012 Volkswagen Touareg Hybrid: 104 days
2012 Porsche 911 convertible*: 104 days
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2012 BMW 135i convertible: 96 days
2012 Infiniti EX35: 93 days
2012 Fiat 500 hatchback: 91 days
2012 Nissan NV cargo van: 89 days
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2012 Volvo S60: 51 days
2012 Ford Mustang coupe: 53 days
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2012 Dodge Durango: 60 days
2012 Mazda CX-9: 64 days
2012 Nissan Altima sedan: 72 days
2012 Mazda3 sedan: 76 days
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I guess everyone recognizes great value no matter which country you're in. A good car is a good car is a good car. Let's see if sales can be maintained throughout the year.
03-13-12, 11:38 AM
#58
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Not really, the new GS is comparable interior volume-wise to the 5 series/E class/A6.
Don't let wheelbase fool you. The 3rd Generation GS had a longer wheelbase than the 2nd Generation GS and let me tell you from personal experience : the 2nd Gen GS is more spacious BY FAR than the 3rd Gen GS.
Interior space is much more dependant on packaging, shoulder/hip space/cabin height etc than just wheelbase.
Don't let wheelbase fool you. The 3rd Generation GS had a longer wheelbase than the 2nd Generation GS and let me tell you from personal experience : the 2nd Gen GS is more spacious BY FAR than the 3rd Gen GS.
Interior space is much more dependant on packaging, shoulder/hip space/cabin height etc than just wheelbase.
03-13-12, 12:11 PM
#59
Not really, the new GS is comparable interior volume-wise to the 5 series/E class/A6.
Don't let wheelbase fool you. The 3rd Generation GS had a longer wheelbase than the 2nd Generation GS and let me tell you from personal experience : the 2nd Gen GS is more spacious BY FAR than the 3rd Gen GS.
Interior space is much more dependant on packaging, shoulder/hip space/cabin height etc than just wheelbase.
Don't let wheelbase fool you. The 3rd Generation GS had a longer wheelbase than the 2nd Generation GS and let me tell you from personal experience : the 2nd Gen GS is more spacious BY FAR than the 3rd Gen GS.
Interior space is much more dependant on packaging, shoulder/hip space/cabin height etc than just wheelbase.
03-13-12, 01:14 PM
#60
No, the RX is the top seller for Lexus. I'm sure the ES is up there. And that speaks to the argument about the challenge Lexus has in not selling as many of the high-profit, expensive models as BMW or Mercedes. It is selling mostly RX's and ES's. Seems to me that makes for a good argument to focus on continuing to fine-tune the GS and LS and make them more competitive. (Which is what they seem to be doing.)
If I look at your analogy, the IS should be the entry class, competitive with the 3 Series or C Class.
3 Series = C Class = A4 = IS
5 Series = E Class = A6 = GS
7 Serieis = S Class = A8 = LS
It is ultimately Lexus's decision to focus on what makes sense for them, not ours, but if Lexus is going to become a serious player within the segment listed above killing off the GS wouldn't have helped. I'm sure the ES brings people into the Lexus fold, but it would be interesting to see how many people actually move up from that model.
If I look at your analogy, the IS should be the entry class, competitive with the 3 Series or C Class.
3 Series = C Class = A4 = IS
5 Series = E Class = A6 = GS
7 Serieis = S Class = A8 = LS
It is ultimately Lexus's decision to focus on what makes sense for them, not ours, but if Lexus is going to become a serious player within the segment listed above killing off the GS wouldn't have helped. I'm sure the ES brings people into the Lexus fold, but it would be interesting to see how many people actually move up from that model.