So much for predictions of the 4GS being a flop
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Maybe because Sewell is a major dealership, but I have seen lots of them in Dallas. Saw a Black F Sport today on the road, followed by a Black Luxury model with chrome wheels at a shopping center. I've also seen a Nebula Gray base in my neighborhood, a Silver F Sport parked at the airport and a White F Sport parked at the local market. They seem to be selling well here. Dallas is the right market... conservative and "over the top" at the same time!
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Sold 2,006 units in April, so the sales rate is cooling off when I had thought it would continue to increase on a month to month basis. I guess with the initial rebate programs ending it is inevitable. The annual increase is is actually greater than last month at 486%! Is Lexus still advertising heavily on TV?
Let's see how the GS performs with the new GS450h this month.
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feb 12 - 4042
mar 12 - 5451
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they aren't in the 2k range. but for sure we are seeing even bigger fluctuations in them. that's why i said the drop in apr on the gs shouldn't be an indication yet
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Main reason is that Lexus capped production at 2,000 per month for the 4GS versus 3,000 per month for 3GS when it first came out. Since demand is higher than production, Lexus need to ramp up the production to meet demand. My local dealer in midwest has only 2 GS in inventory with more than 10 on waiting list.
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i am not sure where you pulled your numbers?
mb e class
feb 12 - 4206
mar 12 - 5570
apr 12 - 5328
bmw 5
feb 12 - 4042
mar 12 - 5451
apr 12 - 3566
they aren't in the 2k range. but for sure we are seeing even bigger fluctuations in them. that's why i said the drop in apr on the gs shouldn't be an indication yet
mb e class
feb 12 - 4206
mar 12 - 5570
apr 12 - 5328
bmw 5
feb 12 - 4042
mar 12 - 5451
apr 12 - 3566
they aren't in the 2k range. but for sure we are seeing even bigger fluctuations in them. that's why i said the drop in apr on the gs shouldn't be an indication yet
i doubt we will see anything about GS actual sales until at least 2 years have passed.
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i am not sure where you pulled your numbers?
mb e class
feb 12 - 4206
mar 12 - 5570
apr 12 - 5328
bmw 5
feb 12 - 4042
mar 12 - 5451
apr 12 - 3566
they aren't in the 2k range. but for sure we are seeing even bigger fluctuations in them. that's why i said the drop in apr on the gs shouldn't be an indication yet
mb e class
feb 12 - 4206
mar 12 - 5570
apr 12 - 5328
bmw 5
feb 12 - 4042
mar 12 - 5451
apr 12 - 3566
they aren't in the 2k range. but for sure we are seeing even bigger fluctuations in them. that's why i said the drop in apr on the gs shouldn't be an indication yet
But yeah, April wasn't a good month for the luxury automobile industry.
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Its amazing how brainwashed people are in believing the new 5 is a great car. I owned one 2011 BMW 535i xdrive for 1 while year with great dissapointment. Such a poor car dynamically wise and reliability wise. It gave me headaches and felt so numb and isolating. BMW really is discounting these cars and with lease deals to get them moving but again its a boring car and the new 2013 Lexus GS F-Sport I purchased as replacement trumps this BMW 5 any day in every category. I am glad the GS is selling well and is more rare then the ubiquitous boring BMW 5.
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Yeah the 5 is the default pic in class, people buy no questions asked. They also offer more variants as well as the lease specials you mentioned so that helps sales. Now that its based on the bigger 7 series and drives more like an old Lexus I doubt BMW has any intentions to make it lose weight or become unique again looking at the smoking sales figures. Can't fault them at all looking at the numbers they sell it in! FYI they sold 6k 3 serie s models too, so the next higher class car sold like the less expensive model. That is insane. The 5 series sold better than many non luxury vehicles. Its amazing.
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The Lexus strategy will never be the same with the ES around. The 5 series is BMWs biggest deal accounting I believe anywhere from 60-70% of profits.
I think with this 4GS "word of mouth" will help sell the car more than the 3GS and I think the bold front end is attracting new buyers to the brand.
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535
550
5GT
M5
The Lexus strategy will never be the same with the ES around. The 5 series is BMWs biggest deal accounting I believe anywhere from 60-70% of profits.
I think with this 4GS "word of mouth" will help sell the car more than the 3GS and I think the bold front end is attracting new buyers to the brand.
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Yeah the 5 is the default pic in class, people buy no questions asked. They also offer more variants as well as the lease specials you mentioned so that helps sales. Now that its based on the bigger 7 series and drives more like an old Lexus I doubt BMW has any intentions to make it lose weight or become unique again looking at the smoking sales figures. Can't fault them at all looking at the numbers they sell it in! FYI they sold 6k 3 serie s models too, so the next higher class car sold like the less expensive model. That is insane. The 5 series sold better than many non luxury vehicles. Its amazing.
528
535
550
5GT
M5
The Lexus strategy will never be the same with the ES around. The 5 series is BMWs biggest deal accounting I believe anywhere from 60-70% of profits.
I think with this 4GS "word of mouth" will help sell the car more than the 3GS and I think the bold front end is attracting new buyers to the brand.
528
535
550
5GT
M5
The Lexus strategy will never be the same with the ES around. The 5 series is BMWs biggest deal accounting I believe anywhere from 60-70% of profits.
I think with this 4GS "word of mouth" will help sell the car more than the 3GS and I think the bold front end is attracting new buyers to the brand.
Yeah its the number of variants of the 5 that helps. I wonder why Lexus doesn't offer a GS250 for certain customers and maybe as you said its because of the ES eating a piece of the pie. Either way the GS is a superior car then 5 and that is a surprising statement as I am also an owner of a 2008 BMW 335xi coupe.
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What does concern me are salesman and dealerships who rather go for the easy sale in a white/beige leather ES instead of them trying to sell people the GS. It has sadly been my experience that Lexus salesman still for the most part are not enthusiasts of any time and are used to people just walking in and buying RX/ES models that they have a harder time actually "selling" the GS in this segment. It reminds me of asshats that try to say a TL is better than a 5/GS/A6 b/c its cheaper and bigger with NAV.
If the dealers don't push the GS then ultimately it will hurt the vehicle. If they rather sell the ES and ignore the GS then the issue becomes one of support. The GS is "not" going to be an easy sale.
IMO Lexus cannot wait on the GS-F, they should have debut the car next year just as BMW debuts the M5 the year after the GS. If Cadillac can make a CTS-V there is no reason Lexus should not have a GS F.
Bottom line I am as big of a Lexus enthusiast as they come but they need a GS F and a coupe, period. If they plan to just have the GS be sold another 7 years with no significant updates the car will sell like crap at the end again.
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I am disappointed that Lexus has not been pushing this car more. Sustained marketing = greater awareness, greater sales. Even with poor marketing, this car is still selling well although it's a little worrying that it's already below 2000. If the rumor that the release of the GS F relies on "smashing" their goals, it's not a good thing that Lexus is merely meeting their sales goal of 24k per year.