x838nwy

I don't understand this - on the one hand, you're saying that cutting edge tech becomes boring after a couple of months (and hence nothing special). On the other you are complaining that the GS doesn't contain enough of it.

The GS has new technology in its engine, suspension, interior, even the stereo. It just doesn't wear its technology on its forehead. Besides, their slightly conservative approach to me ensures that all the technology it has will be well integrated with the car and will remain functional and relevant for years. I agree that most technological firsts in the new GS are not in the driver interface (well, may be the 12" screen) but that doesn't mean it's short on innovation.

lildann

If the guy wants to talk about cost, he should look at the reliability of the volvo. I used to work for volvo and still have friends that do. The stories that they tell me would shock some people. Things like 2 or 3 transmissions in the same car while in warranty, computer problems, and switch problems. I like the s60R but I would much rather have the reliablilty of a Lexus. Just my two cents.

Hoovey689

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S60 R is my favorite Volvo to date

Cruiter

For him his review was spot on, he just didn't word it right. It's not that the car was priced to high, it was just priced to high for him. The problem was he couldn't afford it I think. He's trying now to rationalize a less expensive car that has 'similar' size and performance for less. Not everyone can afford it but maybe it took payment shock from his wife to show him the light. I'm thinking he should have switched that light on before he bought it tho .

Bushwack

You're not going to find me defending GM and Chrysler. ONce the muscle car era was over, innovation took a back seat to the bean counters.

We all know car manufacturers share platforms. Your comparison between the LaCrosse and Malibu can be applied to the Camry & ES. There's debate that the GS was a derivative of the Toyota Avalon.

As for the lines of the 3GS being most cloned in the industry, Nissan may disagree with you. Look at the 2006 Maxima. Certainly looks similar to the 3GS. If it wasn't for it being FWD, I might be participating in the Maxima forum .

Dont misunderstand me. Thoroughly enjoy my 3GS and as I don't lime german cars, I'll probably go with a 2014 LS once the new generation comes out. I'm just saying that as the domestics had sat on their but from 1972 - 2010, Lexus took a step back from innovation and let the bean counters take control (by their own admission, Toyota was focused on being the largest auto maker in the world). Now, Lexus wants to go head to head w/ BMW and MB. With the 4GS, they should be there. But they are still a couple points behind.

Bushwack

The engine is 98% the same as the 2007-2011 GS (which isn't a bad thing at all). Suspension and interior layout is new to Lexus but not new to its competition. BMW and MB have been leaders with innovation. Lexus' main claim to leadership/innovation was producing a car in 1989/1990 that was as comfortable as a Cadillac, priced like a Cadillac but with the reliability and quality build of a Toyota.

My comments are not directed towards Lexus making an awful car. My argument is that if they want to be discussed in the same breath as a BMW or MB, they need to step it up and not be like them but surpass them (especially in handling). BMW's reputation is w/ handling (it certainly isn't with reliability). MB reputation is in both handling and reliability (MBs may be expensive to service but the mechanical reliability is a small notch below Lexus). The GS is aimed against the 5 series BMW. *I* think Lexus should be more concerned with Infiniti, Cadillac and Hyundai.

smuv gs3

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I agree with you Lexus definately needs to get cracking on beating BMW and MB, in general the fastest car that they offer is the LFA but how many of us are going to drop some coin on that car ?? So the only alternative is the ISF it's quick but it's only 415 bhp which I'm guessing on a dyno would make 380-390 to the wheels so a total revamp is long overdue. Personally I think Lexus should watch out for Hyundai since they offer a flagship model very similiar to the LS460 and a midsize luxury vehicle ( Genisis ).I don't think Lexus has to worry about Cadillac the only thing that is keeping them alive is the Escalade ,I can't even justify spending all that money on a CTS-V when I can go buy a Corvette instead which on the back end would hold some residual value. To me Cadillacs cars look like " Box Cutters " on wheels

natnut

Out of curiosity, in what way is the 4GS a couple of points behind the E350 and the 535i?

Rexus300

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Please see my review under baloo588.

http://www.edmunds.com/lexus/gs-350/...ewId=539170222

To bushwack,

I had a 2011 BMW 535i for 1 year and traded it in for a GS F-Sport I have other BMWs in my house including an 2006 Audi A8L and a 2010 Mercedes Ml350. We all enjoy the GS more than the other cars. Its far ahead of the BMW 5 and Mercedes E class in driving feel, road feedback, handling, etc. Its more advance in technology and makes it feel superior to the tedious Idrive. The MMI in my Audi is still good though. The Mercedes command literally falls flat on its face in comparison. The remote touch and the enform in the Lexus is at the top next to Audi MMi in our experience in the family. The GS is no longer the also ran but in the front of the pack. The Audi A6 is also ahead of the BMW 5 while the E-Class is behind the 5. I find the GS more exciting than the A6. If you get the GS premium you will feel that it is still superior than the BMW 5 but sill will need the sports package to triumph the base BMW 5 which is why I got the F-Sport. Lexus SHOULD NOT be concerned for Infinit, Acura, or Cadillac as they are pretty much behind now. I would not buy them. I drove a Cadillac CTS and an Infiniti M37 and Acura TL one time in the past few years and heck they evoke no true luxury or have anywhere as close as the ride and handling of the Lexus GS. Lexus will move up with the big boys now. I am very impressed.

Brian@Vossen

The 2013 GS debuts I believe 8-12 world or class firsts. Not sure how that isn't innovation.

dseag2

My service guy at Audi (who I knew real well when I had my '01 Audi A6 4.2) said, "The Germans invent the technology and the Japanese perfect it". I'm just fine with that. For me, Lexus doesn't always have to be on the cutting edge as long as everything works.

07LXgs350

Thats a pretty much bull**** comment from him...Japanese have invented just as much if not more technology than germans.