2013 GS & 2013 ES Side by Side Comparo
#16
Lexus Test Driver
Both have similar design lines such as grill, sideskirts, etc. Obviously the GS looks the sportier of the two.
I made the thread awhile back that Lexus should discontinue the ES.....and I still feel that way.
Why would a regular Joe or Jane buy the GS for more $$$$$ when the ES is so nice, has more room and costs less?
My prediction is the GS model will not survive unless Lexus does some drastic changes.
I made the thread awhile back that Lexus should discontinue the ES.....and I still feel that way.
Why would a regular Joe or Jane buy the GS for more $$$$$ when the ES is so nice, has more room and costs less?
My prediction is the GS model will not survive unless Lexus does some drastic changes.
#18
I understand this strategy for Lexus, but I prefer to have cars in different market segments to be at least distinguishable from one another. BMW 3-5-7 all look very different, and the same goes for MB C-E-S; though less so for Audi 4-6-8.
On the road, I sometimes have trouble telling apart the front of CT and GS, and I'm a guy who can usually identify a car at night just by looking at the oncoming headlight. Now add in ES, LS, and probably IS when it has a refresh, I see this problem only getting worse.
If I'm paying $20k extra for a GS than a CT, I want it to look different, damn it!
On the road, I sometimes have trouble telling apart the front of CT and GS, and I'm a guy who can usually identify a car at night just by looking at the oncoming headlight. Now add in ES, LS, and probably IS when it has a refresh, I see this problem only getting worse.
If I'm paying $20k extra for a GS than a CT, I want it to look different, damn it!
Last edited by dseag2; 08-21-12 at 09:50 PM.
#19
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es is based on avalon now not camry, which is why it's now a lot bigger.
#20
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Both have similar design lines such as grill, sideskirts, etc. Obviously the GS looks the sportier of the two.
I made the thread awhile back that Lexus should discontinue the ES.....and I still feel that way.
Why would a regular Joe or Jane buy the GS for more $$$$$ when the ES is so nice, has more room and costs less?
My prediction is the GS model will not survive unless Lexus does some drastic changes.
I made the thread awhile back that Lexus should discontinue the ES.....and I still feel that way.
Why would a regular Joe or Jane buy the GS for more $$$$$ when the ES is so nice, has more room and costs less?
My prediction is the GS model will not survive unless Lexus does some drastic changes.
Uhh a little perspective here : the GS throughout its 4 generations has ALWAYS been released with the ES as its sibling and has yet to be cancelled. Why should it be cancelled now after its previous 3 generations weren't cancelled despite being outsold by the ES then?
Secondly, unlike the GS, the ES is not a global car ie it's not sold worldwide like the GS. The ES is essentially a product meant for North Americans and their predilection for roomy affordable cushmobiles who could care less about sporty dynamic driving, which is why the ES is FWD.
Lexus is embarking on an aggressive drive to seen as more exciting and dynamic with cars that are exciting to drive. For this makeover to be credible, its mid-size offering, (and the mid-size luxury segment is arguably the most important in the luxury car market) HAS to be RWD and sporty. That means the GS. The ES no matter how improved is never going to be regarded as a driver's car.
The GS and ES have very different intended target demographics : GS for the motoring enthusiast, ES for those who view cars as appliances. Even the market leader BMW 5 series reflects this dichotomy of aims. The current F10 5 series is trying to bridge these two competing aims and trying to fulfill the roles of the ES and GS in one car : appliance owners buy the 528 (and 520/523 in global markets) and keep the options list bare-bones while enthusiasts buy the Sport-pack equipped 535 and 550. Even then, it has not been entirely successful. Just go to any 5 series owner's forum and the prevailing consensus is that the new 5 series has lost its sporting edge in an attempt to go mainstream and gain market share ( throttle delay on the turbocharged engines, non-linear throttle response, overweight 7 series-derived chassis, numb steering etc).
Let us all come to terms with this reality right now : enthusiasts will forever and always be a small minority of the market. The reason the E-class and current 5 series sell so well is because they largely cater to the non-enthusiast segment. By doing so, they have also compromised their chassis as driving machines. This has allowed the GS, which is a more finely focused driving tool, to leapfrog the Germans in handling dynamics. The GS by virtue of targeting enthusiasts and keen drivers who have done their research will always appeal to the niche crowd.
I'm very happy about where the current GS is right now. It's sort of like the crown jewel in Lexus' new dynamic drive initiative. The ES/RX brings in the volume and profits but the true heart and soul and affections of Lexus lie in its Rear Wheel Drive dynamic offerings. So I'm all for ES' great sales, their profits continue to finance the R&D into the GS, the plebeians financing the enthusiasts as it were
Last edited by natnut; 08-22-12 at 10:59 AM.
#22
Lexus Test Driver
#23
Well, they do look similar and the ES is a nice-looking sedan, but if the GS looked like that I wouldn't have bought it. There is something more aggressive looking about the GS. It is almost a more traditional sedan, where the ES looks more organic with a longer front overhang (due to FWD) and lower roofline.
#25
On another note, love love love the GS F-Sport.
#28
I have a great view of lots of cars when I'm working out at my gym, and I will have to admit I saw a black ES coming down the road and from the front (because black shows no lines at all), and from four stories up, I thought it was a GS F-Sport. It was the spindle grill and the LED lights that fooled me.
It was only when the rest of the car passed that I heard the "waaahhh, waaahh" sound.
It was only when the rest of the car passed that I heard the "waaahhh, waaahh" sound.
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