Saying I got my car for Invoice or Below Dealer Cost should be BANNED
#1
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Saying I got my car for Invoice or Below Dealer Cost should be BANNED
I am surprised how many people boast about what a good deal they got and then only post "Invoice" , "Below Invoice" , "Dealer Cost , or "Below Dealer Cost".
Really, if you are sure you got a great deal why not list the sticker price on the car, what you paid out the door, (separately listing the purchase price of the car, taxes, any rebates and other dealer add-ons, trade-in, etc).
Everybody wants to brag about how they put one over on the dealer and how great of a negotiator they are. But realistically what do the above terms mean without actual numbers? How can anyone tell what they are using for Invoice or Dealer Cost.
I know there are prices on the Internet but even those vary!
Really, if you are sure you got a great deal why not list the sticker price on the car, what you paid out the door, (separately listing the purchase price of the car, taxes, any rebates and other dealer add-ons, trade-in, etc).
Everybody wants to brag about how they put one over on the dealer and how great of a negotiator they are. But realistically what do the above terms mean without actual numbers? How can anyone tell what they are using for Invoice or Dealer Cost.
I know there are prices on the Internet but even those vary!
Last edited by MJA1951; 12-08-12 at 07:17 PM.
#2
I paid 54,384 F sport.
Sticker was 56,538
they wouldn't budge after that and I wanted the car.
PS, I went through all my files to find this information for you. I want a damn x-mas cookie now
Sticker was 56,538
they wouldn't budge after that and I wanted the car.
PS, I went through all my files to find this information for you. I want a damn x-mas cookie now
#4
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Have you checked, https://www.clublexus.com/forums/gs-...ou-get-43.html ? Many posts in that thread are pretty detailed. And you can easily figure out the OTD price, based on the numbers posted.
#5
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Have you checked, https://www.clublexus.com/forums/gs-...ou-get-43.html ? Many posts in that thread are pretty detailed. And you can easily figure out the OTD price, based on the numbers posted.
#6
Pit Crew
Thread Starter
My point is that most people don't really know what they paid and if they made such a great deal why not just put the numbers down. There are also factors like when you bought the car and what part of the country you are in.
I just think dealers love people who think they know more than the dealers because once they are done with add-ons, trade in, financing, etc. the price people pay is way different than they thought.
Here are the numbers on our car bought in Sept.
GS Sticker price $56003
Cash Price $52337
Rebate $ 1500
Total $50837
Nitrogen $ 50
Doc Fee $ 139
Tax $ 3808
License trans $ 120
A great deal? No but the best we could do. The dealer wouldn't budge on the Nitrogen and since they were $400 less than the other dealers in the area I was OK with this. This dealership was 80 miles away. I went to the other dealers in the area and no one would match it..
So is this a Great Deal, Under Invoice, or below Dealer cost? Who cares and what is more important, words or numbers?
It was a car we wanted and the best price I could find and it doesn;t matter if people think we fleeced the dealer!
I just think dealers love people who think they know more than the dealers because once they are done with add-ons, trade in, financing, etc. the price people pay is way different than they thought.
Here are the numbers on our car bought in Sept.
GS Sticker price $56003
Cash Price $52337
Rebate $ 1500
Total $50837
Nitrogen $ 50
Doc Fee $ 139
Tax $ 3808
License trans $ 120
A great deal? No but the best we could do. The dealer wouldn't budge on the Nitrogen and since they were $400 less than the other dealers in the area I was OK with this. This dealership was 80 miles away. I went to the other dealers in the area and no one would match it..
So is this a Great Deal, Under Invoice, or below Dealer cost? Who cares and what is more important, words or numbers?
It was a car we wanted and the best price I could find and it doesn;t matter if people think we fleeced the dealer!
#7
My point is that most people don't really know what they paid and if they made such a great deal why not just put the numbers down. There are also factors like when you bought the car and what part of the country you are in.
I just think dealers love people who think they know more than the dealers because once they are done with add-ons, trade in, financing, etc. the price people pay is way different than they thought.
Here are the numbers on our car bought in Sept.
GS Sticker price $56003
Cash Price $52337
Rebate $ 1500
Total $50837
Nitrogen $ 50
Doc Fee $ 139
Tax $ 3808
License trans $ 120
A great deal? No but the best we could do. The dealer wouldn't budge on the Nitrogen and since they were $400 less than the other dealers in the area I was OK with this. This dealership was 80 miles away. I went to the other dealers in the area and no one would match it..
So is this a Great Deal, Under Invoice, or below Dealer cost? Who cares and what is more important, words or numbers?
It was a car we wanted and the best price I could find and it doesn;t matter if people think we fleeced the dealer!
I just think dealers love people who think they know more than the dealers because once they are done with add-ons, trade in, financing, etc. the price people pay is way different than they thought.
Here are the numbers on our car bought in Sept.
GS Sticker price $56003
Cash Price $52337
Rebate $ 1500
Total $50837
Nitrogen $ 50
Doc Fee $ 139
Tax $ 3808
License trans $ 120
A great deal? No but the best we could do. The dealer wouldn't budge on the Nitrogen and since they were $400 less than the other dealers in the area I was OK with this. This dealership was 80 miles away. I went to the other dealers in the area and no one would match it..
So is this a Great Deal, Under Invoice, or below Dealer cost? Who cares and what is more important, words or numbers?
It was a car we wanted and the best price I could find and it doesn;t matter if people think we fleeced the dealer!
Last edited by JRey350hou; 12-09-12 at 08:11 AM.
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#8
IMO, nitrogen is the biggest waste.
And gotta love how the guy is trying to selling me a maintainence plan, saying it includes tire rotations, on a car that has a staggered setup.
And gotta love how the guy is trying to selling me a maintainence plan, saying it includes tire rotations, on a car that has a staggered setup.
#9
Lexus Test Driver
My GS luxury model was $67,083 and change. Something like $2,000 under MSRP.
Definitely above invoice, but not by too much...
I was offered my Riviera Red car for that price. If I wanted black on black, as was my original desire, they told me they could only take 1200 off MSRP, because they had none in stock.
Definitely above invoice, but not by too much...
I was offered my Riviera Red car for that price. If I wanted black on black, as was my original desire, they told me they could only take 1200 off MSRP, because they had none in stock.
#10
Pit Crew
Thread Starter
I agree the Nitrogen is a waste (and I told them that) but like I said they were $400 less than any other deal I could get so that still put me $350 under any other price.
#11
Lexus Test Driver
No matter what the numbers are if you as the buyer feel like you got a good deal then you got a good deal!!!
The dealer is always gonna come out ahead as with any business. They're there to make a profit whether it be small or large now being a wise consumer and doing your homework adds a slight benefit to you but again for most people that think they "got over" on the dealer you are certainly mistaken.
The dealer is always gonna come out ahead as with any business. They're there to make a profit whether it be small or large now being a wise consumer and doing your homework adds a slight benefit to you but again for most people that think they "got over" on the dealer you are certainly mistaken.
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It doesnt matter what you paid. The build quality and materials alone make this car an exceptional value. The interior quality is up there with cars that cost $100K or more Go look at the Maserati Quadraporte and compare. Then test this car against a $50K 3-series with its rental-car interior, or even against a $60-$70K 5-series.
So even if you paid MSRP, you got a great deal.
So even if you paid MSRP, you got a great deal.
#13
The bottom line is, I got the car I wanted (ordered), and for me time is money so I would rather be enjoying the car or getting on with life rather than dickering over a couple thousand $$. I could have waited to get a lower price, but I've been enjoying the car since March and the model year is really long, so that in itself makes it worth it for me..
Also, what is important is you feel you got the value you deserved for the price you paid. I certainly do.
Also, what is important is you feel you got the value you deserved for the price you paid. I certainly do.