Disappointed with my new GS AWD F Sport
12-21-12, 08:39 PM
#31
Lexus Fanatic
I'm afraid you're missing the point, my friend.
I too have been a sports car fanatic and have never imagine I would one day be driving a Lexus.
What I've been experiencing is not the throaty, deep exhaust note which I don't think anyone would object. What we have been complaining about is an engine noise that sounds cheap and unrefined. Definitely not compatible with the car's appearance and the brand.
BTW, I miss my 350Z and M3. Both had great-sounding engines.
I too have been a sports car fanatic and have never imagine I would one day be driving a Lexus.
What I've been experiencing is not the throaty, deep exhaust note which I don't think anyone would object. What we have been complaining about is an engine noise that sounds cheap and unrefined. Definitely not compatible with the car's appearance and the brand.
BTW, I miss my 350Z and M3. Both had great-sounding engines.
12-21-12, 08:45 PM
#32
Makes sense. Now that I've gotten a taste of a Lexus that drives like a driver's car, the IS-F has been in my sights as well. But I will wait for the next gen. IMHO, going for the current gen IS-F is a step backwards in everything except performance.
12-22-12, 09:56 PM
#33
http://consumerguideauto.howstuffwor...lexus-gs-1.htm
"Less isolation than Lexus and class norms"
12-22-12, 10:32 PM
#34
Lexus Fanatic
Saying a sport sedan is not isolated enough doesn't make a lot of sense. I just drove everything in the segment back to back to back, the GS is the quietest, smoothest car in the segment, perhaps tied with the Audi A6. I can show you 15 reviews that says that. It rides as comfortably as my Lexus ES'es did, and those are cars known for ride quality, but my GS has the ability to be fun to drive as well which the ES does not. In fact, I drove my old 2003 ES on your beloved 16" wheels just tonight and I thought to myself how it did not ride a great deal more comfortably than my new GS. Have you driven the car?
Is it less isolated than a typical Lexus? Yes...its supposed to be. If you don't understand that...then don't waste any more time talking about the GS because it wasn't designed for you. Thats why they make more than one model.
Is it less isolated than a typical Lexus? Yes...its supposed to be. If you don't understand that...then don't waste any more time talking about the GS because it wasn't designed for you. Thats why they make more than one model.
Last edited by SW17LS; 12-22-12 at 10:37 PM.
12-23-12, 12:58 AM
#35
Pole Position
I'm one of the alienated. No way the GS would be on my shopping list after reading this:
http://consumerguideauto.howstuffwor...lexus-gs-1.htm
"Less isolation than Lexus and class norms"
http://consumerguideauto.howstuffwor...lexus-gs-1.htm
"Less isolation than Lexus and class norms"
That said, the ES is probably more your style.
12-23-12, 06:24 AM
#36
Are there actually people who let online reviews influence their automobile purchasing choices rather then testing the car for themselves? Buying a car is one's second biggest purchase in life after a home. Depending on online reviews alone seems rather foolish.
That said, the ES is probably more your style.
That said, the ES is probably more your style.
There's good reviews and no so good reviews on just about every vehicle.You must test the vehicle out yourself.
12-23-12, 08:37 AM
#37
Lexus Fanatic
12-23-12, 11:32 AM
#38
I agree. But the 2013 ES is not quieter or smoother riding or as well padded inside as compared to previous ES's. So it's like spending $45,000 on a car that's more primitive than the older models. Used to be (1990's and earlier decades) that buying a new car - especially a new Lexus - meant looking forward to new levels of refinement in all those areas.
12-23-12, 12:24 PM
#39
Lexus Champion
I agree. But the 2013 ES is not quieter or smoother riding or as well padded inside as compared to previous ES's. So it's like spending $45,000 on a car that's more primitive than the older models. Used to be (1990's and earlier decades) that buying a new car - especially a new Lexus - meant looking forward to new levels of refinement in all those areas.
12-23-12, 01:47 PM
#40
Lexus Fanatic
As I've said to you time and time again, consumer demand is changing. People want more dynamic handling cars even at the expense of some ride comfort and isolation. This is obvious since every carmaker is moving in that direction.
Anyways, I drove a bunch of 2013 ES's, I think it drives damn near identical to how my 2010 rode, at least with the 17s.
Anyways, I drove a bunch of 2013 ES's, I think it drives damn near identical to how my 2010 rode, at least with the 17s.
12-23-12, 03:20 PM
#41
Lexus Champion
As I've said to you time and time again, consumer demand is changing. People want more dynamic handling cars even at the expense of some ride comfort and isolation. This is obvious since every carmaker is moving in that direction.
Anyways, I drove a bunch of 2013 ES's, I think it drives damn near identical to how my 2010 rode, at least with the 17s.
Anyways, I drove a bunch of 2013 ES's, I think it drives damn near identical to how my 2010 rode, at least with the 17s.
12-23-12, 03:31 PM
#42
Lexus Fanatic
Yep, how about that?
The other thing you have to realize is that the 1990s and today are very different times. Lexus vehicles were steadily increasing in price during the 90s, the economy was better towards the latter part of the decade. Plus they were in a growth mode, trying to gain market share.
Right now you have a serious issue with the strength of the yen which makes it hard for them to maintain their profit margins while still holding the line on pricing, which is a significant problem with lower priced models like the ES. Hence, you get cost cutting.
You can understand it, and the cost cutting in the ES is not really unusual in its segment. The option is to move up a model which is what many of us have done.
The other thing you have to realize is that the 1990s and today are very different times. Lexus vehicles were steadily increasing in price during the 90s, the economy was better towards the latter part of the decade. Plus they were in a growth mode, trying to gain market share.
Right now you have a serious issue with the strength of the yen which makes it hard for them to maintain their profit margins while still holding the line on pricing, which is a significant problem with lower priced models like the ES. Hence, you get cost cutting.
You can understand it, and the cost cutting in the ES is not really unusual in its segment. The option is to move up a model which is what many of us have done.
12-23-12, 08:30 PM
#43
I'm one of the alienated. No way the GS would be on my shopping list after reading this:
http://consumerguideauto.howstuffwor...lexus-gs-1.htm
"Less isolation than Lexus and class norms"
http://consumerguideauto.howstuffwor...lexus-gs-1.htm
"Less isolation than Lexus and class norms"
12-24-12, 12:03 PM
#45
Lexus Fanatic
I feel the same way, I think it rides great. Ride is different than the ES, but I like it better.
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