Blackraven

If any of you've seen pics of the engine bay of a GS350, you'll note that there is still extra space for a bigger engine.

In fact, with a chassis that handles so well, this car is basically BEGGING for a bigger engine.

So with that said:
Any documents, rumors, spy shots, patents or relevant inside information about this?

Any possible timeframe when such will be made available?

=)

SW17LS

My money is on never

Like I and others have said in other threads, carmakers are going to smaller engines with less displacement, fewer cylinders, better economy and things like superchargers and turbochargers to get the power. The V8 never sold well in the GS after 2006/2007, so my guess is you will never see another V8 GS.

If there is a GS-F, you might see a V8 but I bet a turbocharged or supercharged 6. No V8 in the M3 next time either.

I also bet the next generation LS has a standard V6 with V8 option, its the last full sized luxury car to have a standard V8 now.

terrycs

Lots of rumors. Here's the most recent.

https://www.clublexus.com/articles/g...-300h-gs-f.php

rominl

iTrader: (4)

m5 and e63 both FI v8, not v6. FI v6 will likely be in the next m3

SW17LS

Right, still V8s in the M5 and E63, but the new M3 is going to a 6 like I said

I think if we do see a GS-F, its likely going to be substantially cheaper than an M5 or E63, so its not impossible we wont see a turbo or supercharged 6.

rominl

iTrader: (4)

my point was with a FI v8 in a gsf, it won't be as attractive anymore. both m5 and e63 at 550hp range. a FI v6 will unlikely get up to 500hp figure from a mass production point of view, which put the gsf in a weird position.

and what's substantially cheaper? isf vs m3 and c63 is a good starting point, it's cheaper but i don't call it substantially cheaper. yet all 3 cars have v8

i know there were a lot of discussion on the gsf, but seriously anything under 500hp is hard to make the gsf competes well with m5 and e63

sydtoosic

nah... my money is on a turbo or supercharged V6. i don't think we will see a V8. TJMO

ialexxx

lexus isnt going to be putting no turbocharged v6 in a gsf unless they are using like some gtr ****. Even if a GsF does come out, it isnt meant to be widely sold vehicle, so I would definitely bank on a v8 coming out for it over a turbov6 in this case.

SW17LS

I suppose thats what we will have to wait and see, the M5 and E63 both start around $90k. The question is, does Lexus go whole hog with a GS-F and really position it to compete in that arena, or do they look at it more along the lines of an S6? Where you are between $70-85k with mid 400's for HP? The S6 has a V8 (for now) but you could achieve that power out of a FI V6.

bigblack06

iTrader: (20)

I've heard from many dealers in my area stating that its gonna be a V8 with either a supercharger or a turbo. Honestly its going to be a V8 not a V6 many have all discussed V8's not even discussed V6 for the GS-F as for Lexus making a V8 regular model not gonna happen. I really hope they come out with it soon.

SW17LS

I don't put much stock in what dealers say...people here have a lot more avenues for information from Lexus than they do.

ialexxx

not gonna lie, but I think I would much prefer if they made a model(audi's s6) over a gsf just because i live on the east coast an AWD drive is a must

rominl

iTrader: (4)

imho it would be horrible if lexus down play the f-line like that and make a car to go with the s6, which btw is in line with just the 550i and e550. s6 is nothing close to m5 or e63, the equivalent is rs6 which they don't have it in the US (and that is also a FI v8 at 550hp range). using the same convention lexus should just call it gs460 or gs500 (with a FI v6).

SW17LS

Do you think they could sell a $90k GS-F? I don't disagree with your assessment of the S line vs the M & AMG line BTW

rominl

iTrader: (4)

i think they can, if they do the marketing right (not the way they have done with the 4gs). m5 and e63 don't carry significant volume at all and are not meant to be. they are to establish a position on what the company is capable of.

i mean, if bmw and mb don't sell a lot of 550i and e550 to begin with, you can expect even less on the m5 and e63.

i really take the existing isf vs m3 and c63 comparison and like how lexus does it. it is cheaper, has very comparable performance (and yet offer more on quality and reliability), and sells relatively well for what it is. i think the same can apply to gsf in the 90k range when m5 and e63 are both stepping into the 6 figures.

if we look at the whole lexus planning and offering, ls460 is in the 80-90k range easily already. lx570 is also a 90k car. when they have their next luxury coupe, it will be in the 6 figures. 100k today is really like the old 80k (as much as my wallet hurts).

gs350 is now at 50k. if they have a gs460 today (similarly equipped), it will be in the 70k. i think that's what a loaded gs450h is now? 70-80k is really what a typical regular luxury v8 mid-size sedan costs now. so another 10k for a super sport version? sounds like a pretty reasonable deal to me