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That it required either a whistleblower or some grassroots investigative effort to reveal that 2014 5 series M-Sport owners weren't getting the M-Sport suspension that they thought they'd paid for betrays a stunning lack of trustworthiness on the part of BMW.
What if this hadn't been revealed to Joe Public? Would BMW been content to allow those 2014 5 series "M-Sport" owners to drive their non-suspension-upgraded 535i/550i's in blissful ignorance into the sunset?
This is ostensibly a full fledged luxury car maker not some knock-off car manufacturer. Such shenanigans should not be happening in the first place.
What if this hadn't been revealed to Joe Public? Would BMW been content to allow those 2014 5 series "M-Sport" owners to drive their non-suspension-upgraded 535i/550i's in blissful ignorance into the sunset?
This is ostensibly a full fledged luxury car maker not some knock-off car manufacturer. Such shenanigans should not be happening in the first place.
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hahahaaa
I have noticed BMW owners are very passionate about their cars. You even dare hint that Lexus is inching on the heals of BMW in performance and they get in a tirade. You mention reliability and they will be the first to denounce the importance of reliability and resale value. It's truly the ultimate driving machine and if God owned a car, it would be a BMW. LOL
I have noticed BMW owners are very passionate about their cars. You even dare hint that Lexus is inching on the heals of BMW in performance and they get in a tirade. You mention reliability and they will be the first to denounce the importance of reliability and resale value. It's truly the ultimate driving machine and if God owned a car, it would be a BMW. LOL
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hahahaaa
I have noticed BMW owners are very passionate about their cars. You even dare hint that Lexus is inching on the heals of BMW in performance and they get in a tirade. You mention reliability and they will be the first to denounce the importance of reliability and resale value. It's truly the ultimate driving machine and if God owned a car, it would be a BMW. LOL
I have noticed BMW owners are very passionate about their cars. You even dare hint that Lexus is inching on the heals of BMW in performance and they get in a tirade. You mention reliability and they will be the first to denounce the importance of reliability and resale value. It's truly the ultimate driving machine and if God owned a car, it would be a BMW. LOL
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Funny, I when I owned a '03 TL-S a decade ago, that was possibly my least favorite car after a few months. It was enough to make me never want to consider any Honda product ever again, lol. Maybe I'm a minority
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I swore off Honda products when they had V6 transmission issues back in I think 2001 or 2002. My brother's Acura CL-S was a nightmare to own. They have since gotten much better although not in the same class as the big three Mercedes, BMW and Lexus.
Still I get the old it's just a re-badged Toyota line. I still like my car though.
Still I get the old it's just a re-badged Toyota line. I still like my car though.
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That it required either a whistleblower or some grassroots investigative effort to reveal that 2014 5 series M-Sport owners weren't getting the M-Sport suspension that they thought they'd paid for betrays a stunning lack of trustworthiness on the part of BMW.
What if this hadn't been revealed to Joe Public? Would BMW been content to allow those 2014 5 series "M-Sport" owners to drive their non-suspension-upgraded 535i/550i's in blissful ignorance into the sunset?
This is ostensibly a full fledged luxury car maker not some knock-off car manufacturer. Such shenanigans should not be happening in the first place.
What if this hadn't been revealed to Joe Public? Would BMW been content to allow those 2014 5 series "M-Sport" owners to drive their non-suspension-upgraded 535i/550i's in blissful ignorance into the sunset?
This is ostensibly a full fledged luxury car maker not some knock-off car manufacturer. Such shenanigans should not be happening in the first place.
All the other markets didnt have this issue.
BMW NA didnt plan to offer it, just like it wasnt offered before the 2013 model year.
The window sticker nor the order sheet listed the Msport Susp when people order the cars - they just assumed it was included bec the 2013s had it.
Similar how the GS doesnt get foglights on Fsport in US but other markets have it.
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Agreed but its not BMW thats the problem its BMW NA.
All the other markets didnt have this issue.
BMW NA didnt plan to offer it, just like it wasnt offered before the 2013 model year.
The window sticker nor the order sheet listed the Msport Susp when people order the cars - they just assumed it was included bec the 2013s had it.
Similar how the GS doesnt get foglights on Fsport in US but other markets have it.
All the other markets didnt have this issue.
BMW NA didnt plan to offer it, just like it wasnt offered before the 2013 model year.
The window sticker nor the order sheet listed the Msport Susp when people order the cars - they just assumed it was included bec the 2013s had it.
Similar how the GS doesnt get foglights on Fsport in US but other markets have it.
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I swore off Honda products when they had V6 transmission issues back in I think 2001 or 2002. My brother's Acura CL-S was a nightmare to own. They have since gotten much better although not in the same class as the big three Mercedes, BMW and Lexus.
Still I get the old it's just a re-badged Toyota line. I still like my car though.![Smilie](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
Still I get the old it's just a re-badged Toyota line. I still like my car though.
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I have noticed BMW owners are very passionate about their cars. You even dare hint that Lexus is inching on the heals of BMW in performance and they get in a tirade. You mention reliability and they will be the first to denounce the importance of reliability and resale value. It's truly the ultimate driving machine and if God owned a car, it would be a BMW. LOL
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so i just left the lexus dealership and the salesman and manager both told me that there aren't going to be any updates including led headlights, 8 speed automatic, or even the so called siri integration.
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You absolutely cannot trust dealers. They don't have any information we don't have.
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