Originally Posted by 4TehNguyen

GSF and RCF are practically the same weight, never mind the fact that the GS is a much larger car and can sit 5 comfortably. GSF is not a competitor to the M5, the M5s engine will dust this car, thats why the M5 is $115k easily. GSF wont be that price, it will probably be a little more expensive than a 550 M Sport which will easily be beaten by a GSF that weighs 300# lighter with more power.

Originally Posted by gyrase321

Great looking car. The design is actually quite conservative despite the grill. It exudes understated luxury. The power is more than enough for me. I will use it as a daily driver 99% of the time. This car is essentially the current GS with an RCF engine. The current GS is a fine, great handling car, except maybe a tad underpowered. Putting the RCF engine in it fixes the problem. I applaud Lexus for its measured, evolutionary approach to making new cars. I applaud it for avoiding the temptation to engage in a horsepower arms race with the Germans. If the goal is merely to make a 1000 HP car with 1000 lb ft of torque, I'm sure Toyota/Lexus - with all its money - can do that. But it's not all about HP and torque (unless you are a teenage racer wannabe who fantasizes about cars you can't afford to buy anyway). But this car is a sensible, responsible product that balances power, sportiness, and luxury.

Originally Posted by metrathon

That's all nice and great if the price would start from $65k. But Lexus built this to be an M5 rival, so the price will probably start from $85k. That's where the problem lies, that this is not a reasonably priced GS550 as you describe it to be.

Originally Posted by metrathon

That's all nice and great if the price would start from $65k. But Lexus built this to be an M5 rival, so the price will probably start from $85k. That's where the problem lies, that this is not a reasonably priced GS550 as you describe it to be.

Originally Posted by MisterSkiz

Bad News = This car is stillborn. Nobody will buy it.

Originally Posted by metrathon

That's all nice and great if the price would start from $65k. But Lexus built this to be an M5 rival, so the price will probably start from $85k. That's where the problem lies, that this is not a reasonably priced GS550 as you describe it to be.

Originally Posted by webra

Are Lexus cars getting slower in acceleration numbers? Isn't the 3IS350 slower that the 2IS? The 4GS450h vs 3GS450h? And the RCF is reportedly only just as accelerative as the ISF? If so, maybe their priorities have shifted?

Originally Posted by 4TehNguyen

only if you look at 0-60. The 14 IS350 nearly matches the 08 ISF on C&D Lightning Lap, obviously not due to the engine but how much better the chassis and suspension is over the 2IS chassis.

Originally Posted by MisterSkiz

Bad News = This car is stillborn. Nobody will buy it.

Good News = Pick one up for 45k in 3 years with 20k miles on it.

Originally Posted by SW13GS

When did Lexus say they built this to be an M5 rival? You're saying that...obviously they don't feel that way.

As I said before, my guess is this will start in the early $70s and be well loaded by $80k.

Originally Posted by gyrase321

Can you post a link or reference where it says that "Lexus built it to be an M5 rival"?

Originally Posted by jjscsix

I think that is totally wrong. First of all, if they built it to compete with the M it would have 100 more hp. Look at the M4 vs RCF. The typical RC lists for low 70s and a typical M4 is north of 80. My BMW dealer had one on his lot that listed for 90.

Maybe I'll turn out to be wrong, I'm betting a totally gut loaded GSF will be around 80, and that a well equipped version will be between 75-80. If it is anymore the car will be a flop.

Originally Posted by metrathon

Hey, hey, don't take it out on me, ain't my fault you guys are disappointed I was pointing the obvious, and what 95% of the ppl and the media will say. IS F, RC F, GS F and any other XX F out there are seen as M/AMG/RS competitors.

I really hope that I'm wrong and this will start from $65 but I don't think it's gonna happen.