Lexus debuts 2016 GS F (Pictures Starting on Page 8)
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GSF and RCF are practically the same weight, never mind the fact that the GS is a much larger car and can sit 5 comfortably. GSF is not a competitor to the M5, the M5s engine will dust this car, thats why the M5 is $115k easily. GSF wont be that price, it will probably be a little more expensive than a 550 M Sport which will easily be beaten by a GSF that weighs 300# lighter with more power.
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Great looking car. The design is actually quite conservative despite the grill. It exudes understated luxury. The power is more than enough for me. I will use it as a daily driver 99% of the time. This car is essentially the current GS with an RCF engine. The current GS is a fine, great handling car, except maybe a tad underpowered. Putting the RCF engine in it fixes the problem. I applaud Lexus for its measured, evolutionary approach to making new cars. I applaud it for avoiding the temptation to engage in a horsepower arms race with the Germans. If the goal is merely to make a 1000 HP car with 1000 lb ft of torque, I'm sure Toyota/Lexus - with all its money - can do that. But it's not all about HP and torque (unless you are a teenage racer wannabe who fantasizes about cars you can't afford to buy anyway). But this car is a sensible, responsible product that balances power, sportiness, and luxury.
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As I said before, my guess is this will start in the early $70s and be well loaded by $80k.
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Can you post a link or reference where it says that "Lexus built it to be an M5 rival"?
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Maybe I'll turn out to be wrong, I'm betting a totally gut loaded GSF will be around 80, and that a well equipped version will be between 75-80. If it is anymore the car will be a flop.
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The GSF is aimed at buyers who like the GS 350 but want more power. It is not aimed specifically to compete against the M5. Those who say they are disappointed that the GSF does not match the M5 are trapped in a straw man fallacy of their own making. The M5 is a false benchmark against which to compare the GSF.
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I think that is totally wrong. First of all, if they built it to compete with the M it would have 100 more hp. Look at the M4 vs RCF. The typical RC lists for low 70s and a typical M4 is north of 80. My BMW dealer had one on his lot that listed for 90.
Maybe I'll turn out to be wrong, I'm betting a totally gut loaded GSF will be around 80, and that a well equipped version will be between 75-80. If it is anymore the car will be a flop.
Maybe I'll turn out to be wrong, I'm betting a totally gut loaded GSF will be around 80, and that a well equipped version will be between 75-80. If it is anymore the car will be a flop.
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I really hope that I'm wrong and this will start from $65 but I don't think it's gonna happen.
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Hey, hey, don't take it out on me, ain't my fault you guys are disappointed
I was pointing the obvious, and what 95% of the ppl and the media will say. IS F, RC F, GS F and any other XX F out there are seen as M/AMG/RS competitors.
I really hope that I'm wrong and this will start from $65 but I don't think it's gonna happen.
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I really hope that I'm wrong and this will start from $65 but I don't think it's gonna happen.
A fully loaded GS350 can be $65k.
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Could be the angulation of the camera but IMO the hood looks a little too steep in the side picture. Not so much on the straight shot. How are the 2IS and ISF compared? Any difference? Looking at these pictures again, if the hood is adjusted a bit (as in the attached picture), it does not look much different from the concept car IMO. Maybe it looks better in person. On a side note, surprisingly wife gave a green light.
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Last edited by 1111GS; 05-22-21 at 10:09 AM.