Lexus debuts 2016 GS F (Pictures Starting on Page 8)
01-07-15, 04:59 PM
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Sadly, but this often happens outside of the school yard, and mostly in the magazines. Lexus should get prepared to get flamed soon, because all the car magazines will take this car apart, compare every bolt and nut to M5 and the likes, then chew it and spit back in Lexus face.
01-07-15, 05:10 PM
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Sadly, but this often happens outside of the school yard, and mostly in the magazines. Lexus should get prepared to get flamed soon, because all the car magazines will take this car apart, compare every bolt and nut to M5 and the likes, then chew it and spit back in Lexus face.
You really don't think even rich, successful people can sometimes still behave like little boys ?
01-07-15, 05:15 PM
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Sadly, but this often happens outside of the school yard, and mostly in the magazines. Lexus should get prepared to get flamed soon, because all the car magazines will take this car apart, compare every bolt and nut to M5 and the likes, then chew it and spit back in Lexus face.
01-07-15, 05:20 PM
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It'll be like this again. Lexus is the slowest one.
Lexus is the slowest one.
01-07-15, 05:26 PM
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As car enthusiast, we all bring up specs and compare. That's what this forum is about and part of the nature of being a gear head. All this image/prestige is all marketing. If you don't think badge and image is important in marketing, then I am at a loss for words and maybe you should take a class or few in marketing. Cars at this price point need to deliver on all counts (image, luxury, and performance). There are plenty of more fun cars to drive that are half the cost of a GS. You are hellbent in saying that the F doesn't compete against ///M, AMG, or RS. That's delusional IMO. Nothing I say is going to convince you. I want Lexus and especially the F brand to excel to the level of the Germans. I guess some will just settle for mediocrity. This is my last post addressing you because I feel I'm talking to a brick wall. Just have to just settle for agree to disagree. Peace.
I get that luxury sports cars are considered an image maker or status symbol for a lot of people. They are a surrogate marker for one's wealth. They are not a marker of your racing ability since you don't even track your car. They are not a marker of your ingenuity since you didn't actually invent the car yourself. All you really did was write the check to pay for the car. It's a marker of wealth. Since we can't advertise our wealth by pasting our stock portfolios and bank accounts on our foreheads for everyone to see - that would be crass - we drive around in 500hp loud sports sedans like the M5 to announce that we have arrived, financially speaking. That would not be crass.
01-07-15, 05:35 PM
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Badge and image are important but only to the extent that they can be backed up by actual performance. And by performance I don't mean blistering 0-60 times or whatever metric you might consider important. I'm looking at the whole car and whether it fills the purpose for which it was designed. The GSF is designed as a powerful luxury sports sedan that appeals to enthusiasts while being accessible to amateurs at a price point that makes economic sense. Who cares what the M5's horsepower is? It's irrelevant to most GSF buyers who will, as you admitted, not even track their cars. Most buyers will want the GSF to be a posh, competent, reliable, fast car that transports its passengers from point A to point B in style and with some exclusivity. The GSF only has to be good enough to be a winner. You don't have to beat that M5 to the red light en route to Whole Foods to the last friggin millisecond.
I get that luxury sports cars are considered an image maker or status symbol for a lot of people. They are a surrogate marker for one's wealth. They are not a marker of your racing ability since you don't even track your car. They are not a marker of your ingenuity since you didn't actually invent the car yourself. All you really did was write the check to pay for the car. It's a marker of wealth. Since we can't advertise our wealth by pasting our stock portfolios and bank accounts on our foreheads for everyone to see - that would be crass - we drive around in 500hp loud sports sedans like the M5 to announce that we have arrived, financially speaking. That would not be crass.
I get that luxury sports cars are considered an image maker or status symbol for a lot of people. They are a surrogate marker for one's wealth. They are not a marker of your racing ability since you don't even track your car. They are not a marker of your ingenuity since you didn't actually invent the car yourself. All you really did was write the check to pay for the car. It's a marker of wealth. Since we can't advertise our wealth by pasting our stock portfolios and bank accounts on our foreheads for everyone to see - that would be crass - we drive around in 500hp loud sports sedans like the M5 to announce that we have arrived, financially speaking. That would not be crass.
should be called GS500F sport
i dont see the GSF being anyfaster than the RCF all roound
and you will be paying hell of alot more for a 2 more doors and a bigger boot with the same motor and gearbox
F is to M which is to AMG which is to RS
GSF is not in the same league as the others
01-07-15, 05:39 PM
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Lexus has indeed made cars regardless of what other cars exist in the marketplace. They did invent the luxury crossover segment in the form of the RX. No competitor existed back then. If the M5 did not exist, would Lexus still invent the GSF? Hard to know, but given the track record with the RX, that is not improbable.
01-07-15, 05:42 PM
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Badge and image are important but only to the extent that they can be backed up by actual performance. And by performance I don't mean blistering 0-60 times or whatever metric you might consider important. I'm looking at the whole car and whether it fills the purpose for which it was designed. The GSF is designed as a powerful luxury sports sedan that appeals to enthusiasts while being accessible to amateurs at a price point that makes economic sense. Who cares what the M5's horsepower is? It's irrelevant to most GSF buyers who will, as you admitted, not even track their cars. Most buyers will want the GSF to be a posh, competent, reliable, fast car that transports its passengers from point A to point B in style and with some exclusivity. The GSF only has to be good enough to be a winner. You don't have to beat that M5 to the red light en route to Whole Foods to the last friggin millisecond.
I get that luxury sports cars are considered an image maker or status symbol for a lot of people. They are a surrogate marker for one's wealth. They are not a marker of your racing ability since you don't even track your car. They are not a marker of your ingenuity since you didn't actually invent the car yourself. All you really did was write the check to pay for the car. It's a marker of wealth. Since we can't advertise our wealth by pasting our stock portfolios and bank accounts on our foreheads for everyone to see - that would be crass - we drive around in 500hp loud sports sedans like the M5 to announce that we have arrived, financially speaking. That would not be crass.
I get that luxury sports cars are considered an image maker or status symbol for a lot of people. They are a surrogate marker for one's wealth. They are not a marker of your racing ability since you don't even track your car. They are not a marker of your ingenuity since you didn't actually invent the car yourself. All you really did was write the check to pay for the car. It's a marker of wealth. Since we can't advertise our wealth by pasting our stock portfolios and bank accounts on our foreheads for everyone to see - that would be crass - we drive around in 500hp loud sports sedans like the M5 to announce that we have arrived, financially speaking. That would not be crass.
01-07-15, 05:43 PM
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then if thats the case shoudlnt carry a F badge
should be called GS500F sport
i dont see the GSF being anyfaster than the RCF all roound
and you will be paying hell of alot more for a 2 more doors and a bigger boot with the same motor and gearbox
F is to M which is to AMG which is to RS
GSF is not in the same league as the others
should be called GS500F sport
i dont see the GSF being anyfaster than the RCF all roound
and you will be paying hell of alot more for a 2 more doors and a bigger boot with the same motor and gearbox
F is to M which is to AMG which is to RS
GSF is not in the same league as the others
01-07-15, 05:50 PM
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logic will tell you
if the previous ISF was M3 competition
new RCF is M4 competition
what does the GSF compete against? a 550 M sport based on the price?
im sure lexus didnt make this car to compete against the second best thing in the 5 serise lineup
lets get real here if lexus carried the 5L 2UR into the GSF from the RCF there is no difference
We all love lexus and for me i love the GS
but they did it wrong putting the RCF motor into the GSF with no power difference atleast
Remember the F badge is also on the RCF which is as good as an m4
01-07-15, 06:04 PM
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01-07-15, 06:07 PM
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After reading all 24 pages I finally arrived at the conclusion that Lexus GS no longer competes with the 5 series, E Class and Audi A6. We should not compare the GS to any direct competitors. The car is in its own class now.
GS-F competes with RC-F, and both are trying to take on LF-A. They even stole the gauges!
GS-F competes with RC-F, and both are trying to take on LF-A. They even stole the gauges!
01-07-15, 06:15 PM
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After reading all 24 pages I finally arrived at the conclusion that Lexus GS no longer competes with the 5 series, E Class and Audi A6. We should not compare the GS to any direct competitors. The car is in its own class now.
GS-F competes with RC-F, and both are trying to take on LF-A. They even stole the gauges!
GS-F competes with RC-F, and both are trying to take on LF-A. They even stole the gauges!